Rules and conditions:
1. Yamamoto has a limiter on him. The limiter reduces his power by 60%, so he has only 40% of his full power, regarding all aspects of his abilities and reiastu.
2. They both know each others abilities.
3. They start the fight in the air, in FKT.
I'm honestly not sure who would win. Hitsu limiter, limited him by 80%. That was enough to bring him down from the level of the 3rd Espada, to less than the 11th numeros. Yama on the otherhand at least has has double the reiastu of a captain, so a limiter might not hamper him as much. Not only that he's not limited as much in this battle. Still, Yama's super haxx power is reduced by 60%, so Shunsui has a chance of defending against it.
Shunsui is about one or two levels under Yama as far as ability and has an haxx shikai as well. Assuming their power is about the same at this point, I guess Yama would win. He has more skill, and experience than Shunsui. Also he knows all of Shunsui 's shikai abilities.
I'll change how much Yama's limited by, if it's agreed that their would a huge power difference with the current limiter.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; April 21, 2010 at 11:18 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
I still think that Yamamoto would win because I think that Yamamoto is on Aizen's level, which means that he could take on like 10 captains at once. I don't think Shunsui is anywhere near Aizen or Yamamoto. He's roughly a little bit stronger than the other gotei 13 captains.
Aizen isn't on Yama's level at all. even with his stupid illusions he still stood no chance without any outside help (WW). In fact I think yama could have taken Aizen without Ryujin-jakka. The way he pulverized WW into oblivion serves as enough proof for me that Yama is way above any captain. Hence all his stats being 100 except his strength. This due to his great age. I say it's a tie though. Yama knows Shunsui well, but it's the same for Shunsui. He knows his teacher well also. I woud say tie or Yama with a slight edge.
So can yama use his shikai? If so, shunsui may have his work cut out for him. But a limiter that great would also give shunsui the edge considering shunsui is very powerful. It would be a tie IMO. I like shunsui, but yama is the shit.
Yama can use his shikai. With the limiter I intended for Yama to be on a similar level as Shunsui is on (as far as power is concerned). I still think Yama would win, because of his skill level.
yama has definite skill, that's for sure. but we haven't seen as much from Shunsui to say that he isn't as skilled. Weve only seen one fight from Shunsui with Stark, and the massacre of Chad (sorry chad buddy but at least you lived).
Why would Shunsui be as skilled as the CC? Yama has all his stats up and is way more experienced.
how don't we know? how do we know? all we have are assumptions from one fight with stark. yama has fought on more occasions than Shunsui and Ukitake have. Yama has beaten Alon, and his makers. Then Yama has beaten WW, and almost fought against Aizen. That's more than 2 fights, with and without his sword. Shunsui has one fight with his sword, against Stark. And the fight against Chad wasn't even a fight. It was an effortless two sword slash strike that disabled him. The battle against Aizen didn't showcase anything new besides him hiding in the shadow (again) of Hitsu's ice. Yama has shown sword combat and hand to hand combat and demonstrated kido spells of very high levels. We haven't seen his two favorite students in very much action
yama wins because of near perfect skill in all areas of shimigami combat while shunsui is just skilled in combat. even if you limit his shikai to 60% it still bigger than most bankai. yama is a beast.
The limiter applies to ALL areas of yama's skills and abilities. Not just his shikai. Yama will be 60% slower, 60% less powerful, 60% less of a tank, etc. With just 40% of his strength, shunsui may have the edge. But RJ is an amazing zanpaktou
this thread isn't the best fight scenario. I believe Yama is in a class on his own, Shunsui and Ukitake can come close when combined, but alone i don't think they're standing much of a chance. No one does in my opinion, even with the limiter.