More hard times for the dub industry

[Dive]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...ut-fan-support

That will be another blow to the industry if they follow through. Things are really boiling down now.

[~FrienD~]

ahaha. why do they call fansubs illegal when these animes are broadcasted in japan via "free tv"?

Also anime won't die but Bang Zoom might.
and umm...does anyone even appreciate dubbing this days(doesn't it ruin chars)?

[Sensei 12]

ahaha. why do they call fansubs illegal when these animes are broadcasted in japan via "free tv"?

Also anime won't die but Bang Zoom might.
and umm...does anyone even appreciate dubbing this days(doesn't it ruin chars)?

LoL, I agree with you

Why do they have to earn some money from something that is just free?
Fansub will never die!

[Dive]

ahaha. why do they call fansubs illegal when these animes are broadcasted in japan via "free tv"?

First of all, there's no such thing as free. It costs someone something. Take a simple economics course that is the first thing you will ever learn. You pay for the cable provider. You pay for the channels, or extra channels for that matter if they aren't included in some basic package (think of HBO or something).

If you steal cable, then the cable company loses money. It costs them something. There is nothing in life that is free.

Fansubs are 100% illegal. I have no idea where you get off thinking that they are a justification because someone happened to view them on TV once. Watch a fansub and not buy the actual release, you're making the company lose money. The companies have employees they have to pay. They have licensing fees to pay. You don't buy, they don't produce. People lose jobs. This isn't even exclusive to America either. People upload raws to the Internet and the Japanese can watch the show for "free" too. Then the anime production company loses money on their own shores.

It's the same thing with TV here in the States. Do you know what the most pirated TV show was last year in America? It was Heroes. Heroes has seen a great decline in their ratings, but the pirated episodes keep rising. Every time you don't watch the show in a legit manner, everything about Heroes loses money. That's means budget cuts. That means Heroes might not return next season. That means people are out of jobs because others feel like they deserve "free" things.

Also anime won't die but Bang Zoom might.

This has nothing to do with anime dying. This is about Bang Zoom. This is about the industry in America.

and umm...does anyone even appreciate dubbing this days(doesn't it ruin chars)?

I appreciate dubbing. I can stand watching episodes in English. It doesn't bother me one bit. Sure, there's bad dubs out there, but lo and behold, I toss on the subtitles. Why doesn't that bother me? Someone was paid to do their job. Unless you know Japanese, you cannot tell me that a fansub is superior to a professional translator. Because of dubbing, people have jobs. Their jobs are highly specialized. You take out a dubbing company, you just make the job market harder to get into. The more companies around, the more chances for a voice actor to get a job. The more dubbing companies, the more translators are needed. Dubbing companies are important for people with more specialized trades.

Times are already hard enough as it is. Workers with families to feed don't need their jobs being taken away because the audience feels they are entitled to "free" things.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

they should just do legal subs, way to go.

[Dive]

There are legal subs out there. A lot are on Crunchy Roll and the simulcasts that Viz and Funi are doing. However, if they're generating enough revenue, we don't know for sure.

[~FrienD~]

First of all, there's no such thing as free. It costs someone something. Take a simple economics course that is the first thing you will ever learn. You pay for the cable provider. You pay for the channels, or extra channels for that matter if they aren't included in some basic package (think of HBO or something).

If you steal cable, then the cable company loses money. It costs them something. There is nothing in life that is free.

Fansubs are 100% illegal. I have no idea where you get off thinking that they are a justification because someone happened to view them on TV once. Watch a fansub and not buy the actual release, you're making the company lose money. The companies have employees they have to pay. They have licensing fees to pay. You don't buy, they don't produce. People lose jobs. This isn't even exclusive to America either. People upload raws to the Internet and the Japanese can watch the show for "free" too. Then the anime production company loses money on their own shores.

It's the same thing with TV here in the States. Do you know what the most pirated TV show was last year in America? It was Heroes. Heroes has seen a great decline in their ratings, but the pirated episodes keep rising. Every time you don't watch the show in a legit manner, everything about Heroes loses money. That's means budget cuts. That means Heroes might not return next season. That means people are out of jobs because others feel like they deserve "free" things.



This has nothing to do with anime dying. This is about Bang Zoom. This is about the industry in America.



I appreciate dubbing. I can stand watching episodes in English. It doesn't bother me one bit. Sure, there's bad dubs out there, but lo and behold, I toss on the subtitles. Why doesn't that bother me? Someone was paid to do their job. Unless you know Japanese, you cannot tell me that a fansub is superior to a professional translator. Because of dubbing, people have jobs. Their jobs are highly specialized. You take out a dubbing company, you just make the job market harder to get into. The more companies around, the more chances for a voice actor to get a job. The more dubbing companies, the more translators are needed. Dubbing companies are important for people with more specialized trades.

Times are already hard enough as it is. Workers with families to feed don't need their jobs being taken away because the audience feels they are entitled to "free" things.

does that mean AMVs,MADs, and Scans are illegal then?

[Dive]

AMVs most definitely. You're using two different mediums illegally. You're using the footage from an anime without permission. You're putting it together with music without the artist's consent. Media is intellectual property. You might own the DVD from the anime, and you might own the CD that you're using the song from, but all you are granted from owning them is the right to listen and view the material in a private manner.

If you do not own the intellectual property, you do not own the copyright. The trademark, or whatever. It might be your personal property, but you did not come up with the ideas, so therefore you do not own it.

I don't know what a MAD is. If the M stands for manga, then yes. It's illegal.

Scans are definitely illegal too. Scans are illegally distributed without consent.

[Ju-da-su]

MAD is something similar to a parody of some footages, if I understand it correctly. Clearest example I've seen around is when you choose an anime and put it with the opening or ending sequences of another anime, either buy drawing fan art of the first anime to make it similar to the opening or ending sequence of the second anime, or by putting footages from the first anime together in some way to make it similar to the second anime as much as possible. Not totally sure though, but that's what I've seen the most around in YouTube...

If my understanding is correct, then yes, MAD would be considered as illegal as AMV. You still use the music and the footages of the animations from the original producer without their consent...-_-"

[Dive]

MAD is something similar to a parody of some footages, if I understand it correctly. Clearest example I've seen around is when you choose an anime and put it with the opening or ending sequences of another anime, either buy drawing fan art of the first anime to make it similar to the opening or ending sequence of the second anime, or by putting footages from the first anime together in some way to make it similar to the second anime as much as possible. Not totally sure though, but that's what I've seen the most around in YouTube...

If my understanding is correct, then yes, MAD would be considered as illegal as AMV. You still use the music and the footages of the animations from the original producer without their consent...-_-"

Oh. Okay. I think I've got it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg_WVwJD1W4

Something like this, yeah?

Yeah, definitely illegal, haha. No matter how cool they are, they're still illegal.

[Jammin]

It's a shame to hear but hardly surprising.

Anime companies in general right now are working with an outdated business model. For some reason they've been to slow to shift off of the absurdly overpriced 3-4 episode dvd's, and it's cost them. It's hard to sell a complete season of half hour shows for a retail of $70 to $80 when right next to it on a shelf is a complete season of hour long shows for a retail of $40-$50, especially when on the dub side of things people can get better overall quality than you are offering for free.

I think there is plenty of room for anime dubs and anime dvd's to exist in a world with fansubbers and bittorrent but they are going to have to manage to increase quality up to the level at, or above, that the fansubbers offer and somehow bring the pricing down to same level as that of the rest of the DVD and Blueray market. Or maybe work out some deals with Xbox Live and PSN. Offer a complete digital copy of a dubbed or subbed anime series in HD for $20-$30. With little to no packaging, manufacturing, and distribution costs they would have a much larger profit margin and they would be selling straight to their demographic.

Another thing that they really need to do is find a way to get online subbed anime streaming onto sites like Hulu shortly after the original japanese broadcast.

Realistically, most people just aren't going to pay for what they can get for free but if they release on sites like that, before the fansubbers could possible sub it, they will get the majority of the viewership and with it a considerable amount of add revenue.