Kuroro vs Hisoka

[Franckie]

I'm honestly thinking a tie. Neither can defeat the other in a "fair" fight without receiving fatal damage in return.

Dunno.... hisoka's nen is at a glance useless, it is due to his immense creativity and inherent insanity that he can put it to such good use. In that sense, hisoka and his use of the gum is much more unpredictable than what kuroro could ever be with his nen copying ability. Still, kuroro is also a dangerous derange fuck who'd pull anything in a fight... really can't say but plowise I would ultimately lean toward kuroro.

Bungee Gum can only be evaded by avoiding all of Hisoka's attacks. Attacking and/or defense is useless against Hisoka's ability. Kuroro could try something such as teleportation, but we know nothing about that particular ability and Hisoka knows about it.

[AnyFreeName]

Why was my post removed? Kuroro > Hisoka.

Skill Hunter is far more impressive and versatile than Hisoka's Bungee Gum and Dokkiri Texture as far as hatsu's go. He'd be hardpressed to lose against it even moreso since he's aware of what it can do. He also seems like the more impressive fighter being able to fight against Silva and Zeno at the same time. Hisoka's never had a fight against fighters of that caliber. He even lost limbs against Kastro and while he wasn't serious neither was Kuroro.

[Uriel]

The thing about Kuroro's ability...
...while it seems awesome and unstoppable ability, it has two inherent disadvantages.
1) Only one nen ability can be activated at a time. This doesn't seem to be that bad of a disadvantage, until you realize that "nen ability" isn't just special ability. It includes things like powering up your physical abilities and (more importantly in case with Hisoka) ability to see nen abilities of opponent that opponent has "cloaked". And, in fight with Kastro and Ubongi, we all saw how big this disadvantage was.

2) While using his book ability, Kuroro can't use one of his arms since it has to hold the book open. Effectively, while Kuroro is using the book ability, his melee fighting ability is seriously compromised.

And not only that, but everyone think that the Nen abilities stolen does not have ANY disadvantage. As far as I know, every ability has weak point.
So He has to think not only about the disadvantages of his own abilities, but the rules and weakness of the ones He's using.
So, as good as teleport sounds, it's only that. Meanwhile we have Hisoka who is a sadistic bastard that can use his ability in more creative ways.

Point given, it also means that the enemy has to figure out quick what is each ability and how to counteract it, but experienced figthers can do that without too much hassle. We saw how fast Zeno and Silva figured out them.
It was Zeno who said that with more time they would win, right? :O I can't remember.

[Fox666]

If I remember well, Kuroro asked who would win a hand-to-hand fight, and Zeno said that it would surely be him.

[Dive]

Zeno said the story would be different if Chrollo was intent on killing, instead of stealing. Zeno didn't really say that he would come out on top, but he never said that he wouldn't.

[sharingan_kakashi]

http://beta.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/106/06/
pages 6-8 shows Kuroro's skill to manipulate others. The skill he used is still unknown but it does not look like he used his specialization skill (book) to move Nobunaga in a fraction of a second because he can only call out one skill at a time.

[Goral]

I would bet my money on Hisoka. WickedNeko and LordUriel have both given the most convincing arguments (IMO), I would also add to this that being good at everything means you're exceptional at nothing. I really doubt Kuroro could for example use Hisoka's ability with such skill as Hisoka himself.
Also, while Hisoka is constantly fighting an seeking more powerful opponents Kuroro is only stealing abilities. While Hisoka is getting stronger with every fight (and knows more and more nen abilities and how to counter them BTW) Kuroro only steals new techniques. Soon he will have so many of these techniques that he won't even know which to choose :P. Also, if he ever lost his book would it mean he would lose all the techniques and thus be practically useless as he is now after Kurapica kicked his butt? BTW, do you think that Kurapica could take Hisoka down if he fitted into his conditions? Personally I doubt that he would humiliate him so much as he did with Kuroro.

[kkck]

^I don't think that is a very strong argument. Take what kuroro did against zeno and silva. He tried to steal their abilities so he did not fight to kill. In that sense, kuroro is a man who held back against zeno and silva and survived which IMHO is quite impressive. Trying to steal abilities in battle is quite hard, much harder than what hisoka does in his fights.

[Goral]

It's been awhile since I read this moment so I'll probably come up with more convincing arguments later but don't forget that Zeno and Silva were also holding back. If they weren't they would just kill him. Also AFAIR they didn't use any weapons against him while Kuroro used a poisoned dagger, which was a bit low in a way (although in real fight everything works as long as it's effective). And as I've written earlier he had his butt kicked by Kurapika and again was spared. As for stealing abilities during battle I don't even remember what was required for him to do it but I doubt it bothered him much in a fight. In addition, as I remember it looked to me that Zeno controlled the fight and even though he was praising Kuroro it looked to me he thought he was superior to him. I seriously doubt they would let alive someone that could pose a threat to his entire family just because they weren't paid. They've had him on the plate, only one push and they could kill him. By letting him alive they've given a message they can kill him whenever and wherever they want.

But all in all that gives us nothing to Hisoka vs. Kuroro potential fight.

[Fox666]

Well, Kurapika would kick anyone ass. What use would be the King if his heart would be pierced if he uses nem or physical strength? Kurapika cheated to get that ability. It doesn't count.

[AnyFreeName]

Kuroro holding his own against Zeno and Silva when they are trying to kill him at the expense of their own life while he is holding back and trying to keep them alive to steal their abilities as he's waiting for Illumi to finish the 10 Godfathers > anything Hisoka has ever done

[kkck]

It's been awhile since I read this moment so I'll probably come up with more convincing arguments later but don't forget that Zeno and Silva were also holding back. If they weren't they would just kill him. Also AFAIR they didn't use any weapons against him while Kuroro used a poisoned dagger, which was a bit low in a way (although in real fight everything works as long as it's effective). And as I've written earlier he had his butt kicked by Kurapika and again was spared. As for stealing abilities during battle I don't even remember what was required for him to do it but I doubt it bothered him much in a fight. In addition, as I remember it looked to me that Zeno controlled the fight and even though he was praising Kuroro it looked to me he thought he was superior to him. I seriously doubt they would let alive someone that could pose a threat to his entire family just because they weren't paid. They've had him on the plate, only one push and they could kill him. By letting him alive they've given a message they can kill him whenever and wherever they want.

But all in all that gives us nothing to Hisoka vs. Kuroro potential fight.

How did zeno and silva held back? If anything, zeno was ready to have his son attack through him, basically zeno was willing to die in that battle. Perhaps there is more to see from zeno and silva but at the very least zeno was not holding his punches.

[Goral]

Then explain to me why didn't they kill him? They won this fight and it wouldn't make any sense to let him live (especially when we're talking about people that consider killing as nothing), especially since they or their family could be targeted later. Like I said, the message they left was clear: we can kill you any time, anywhere. Right now you can live.

[kkck]

They were pretty clear they did not kill them because the one who was paying them to do so died. There was no such message, they simply do not kill if there is no job involved.

[Goral]

And as I've been writing from the start if they considered him as a threat (i.e. someone stronger than either Zeno or Silva) they would have no reason to spare him. They're not good guys who don't kill because it's not honourable, killing for them is nothing. They've had him on the plate and could kill him if they wanted but ultimately they didn't and risked that Chrollo would want to get revenge on them.

Kuroro isn't that strong if you ask me, he always has two bodyguards near him as Hisoka mentioned, i.e. even with his hundreds of techniques he's afraid that he wouldn't be able to at least escape from his enemy.