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Translations: Bleach 600 by BadKarma
Aizen is powerful even without ks and the hogyuko
Aizen is an average shimigami captain without his cheap tricks
i made this thread becaue i think people under estimate aizans skill if he doesnt have ks.
which shimigami do you think could beat him if he couldnt use ks or the hogyuko?
also the other fighter cant use their releases either, this is a pure swordsmanship, shunpo, kido battle.
i personally think aizan is talented enough to beat most characters obviously not yama, probably not isshin, and possibly not uhara, yoruchi, and tessai.
what do you think? is aizan a poser with a cheap trick or has he mastered all of the shimigami arts?
nah, he is still a god. I mean really, he still pwned entire gotei and vizards - a great feat. oh and I don't believe he needed KS to deal with soifon, hitsu and shunsui, he just wanted to mess up with hitsu's mind by making him kill hinamori. typical shock and awe shit. though I do think that KS is crucial to defeating Shinji. Sakanade is second most broken zanpakuto after KS, so...
btw, we don't know whether he is weaker than isshin or not. I say he was pretty much fatigued when he faced isshin. he took Yama's hado 96 and ichigo's hollowed GS point blank. basically he was tired, plus he may have intended to be driven to the limits for hogyoku to understand him.
I am pretty sure that without hogyoku and KS (apart from shinji and urahara) Tessai+hachi combo would give him a run for his money.
Last edited by AlB; May 12, 2010 at 05:04 AM.
I think Yamamoto and probably Isshin can defeat him. Shunsui and Ukitake likely lose in a one-on-one fight but I believe they can put up a good fight and don't look like a bunch of amateurs. I have a hunch that Unohana can possibly defeat him too. People like Shinji, Urahara and Yoruichi may resist for a while but I don't think they have the slightest chance to defeat Aizen. (Excluding Urahara's toys) Most of the others had better not challenge him at all, they fall like flies.
my ones are yama 100% and isshin 90% and then yoruchi and tessai 50%. yoruchis shunko and tessais time space kido would give them a better chance at beating aizan than uharas intelligence and inventions or the senior captains skill imo. shinji has no chance without sakanade. kenpachi would also be a contender for me.
basically its yama whos awsome at everything
isshin who i think is awsome at everything
yoruchi who is awsome at shunpo
tessai who is awsome at kido
and kenpachi who is awsome at swordsmanship
Last edited by DEATHBOTT; May 12, 2010 at 06:34 AM.
he does have natural high power but like he said against yamma he might fall still.
thats what annoys me more about kubos use of aizen always making him use KS when we know he naturaly strong.
Well, I think the 4 captain combo that defeated the aizen illusion have a decent chance at pulling it off.
Isshin already proved that he can beat Aizen (but I'm still a bit skeptical if Aizen was at 100% of not).
Yamamoto obviusly curbs Aizen without KS, and Shunsui + Ukitake in Bankai should also do the trick, as well as Unohona with one of them.
Now, I don't think Shinji can defeat Aizen, even if Aizen doesn't have his shikai: he could simply use high level bakudo and kido to land some hits on Shinji, but it wouldn't be instant ownage.
Even without the illusion I would think he'd still have the power to trash anyone with the sole exception of yamamoto. If aizen was at the level of anyone within the captain class he never would have been able to keep the espada together nor get to where he is now.
I guess Ukitake, Shunsui, Unohona, Hacchi and Tessai: at least 3 of them together have good chances of beating Aizen.
Yamamoto meets tough guys like aizen and slaps the SHIT out of 'em (cookies if you get the reference).
Isshin also has a good shot at beating Aizen (the reason I'm not sure is because I don't think Aizen was at fully power against Isshin, so I'll hold it for now)
Yama would beat aizen
Isshin is probably tied with aizen
Shunsui can give aizen a run for his money w/ neither really having the edge
Ukitake is the same
Unohana may be stronger than aizen
Urahara MAY have a chance at fighting with aizen- but the least chance out of all
Without both he'd obviously be strong, but not Solo Everyone strong. As in a well executed teamup like the one we saw prior to LOLKS would probably end badly for him. Straight up one on one he'd obviously take a majority of the characters regardless with minimal effort, ie: Ichigo, Hitsugaya, Komamura, plausibly anyone below the top four and even a few of them he could probably take regardless. But altogether one misstep = dead Aizen.
Of course both cases Yamamoto'd rape regardless. Provided Kill Everything's an option of course.
Put it like this, if Aizen was uber strong without the hoguyoku, he wouldn't have needed it. He wouldn't have needed the espada. He wouldn't have needed to escape from SS the way he did. He wouldn't need Tousen or Gin. He wouldn't have interest in hollowfication.
In my opinion he was greedy and didn't have a high limit. That's why his Kido failed against Komamura. And Komamura got back up, like he usually does. IMO Shunsui, Ukitake, Unohana, Isshin, Hikifune (in the royal guard), and possibly Byakuya, and Urahara could have a go at him. The first 4 I think are at least his equal. Remember Unohana figured out his trick, and he didn't try anything against her. Maybe it was plot, but there's more to it than that. Yoruichi was scared of Byakuya because he knows her moves, and his zanpakuto is probably much stronger than she could make up for. Not to mention he knows some omnisukido (spelling) shunpo techniques.
As a side note i would like to clarify some things about Yoruichi being the queen of flash, or goddess. Of course you know she was in charge of the secret ops. But there was someone before her. And Soi-Fon after her. So the techniques she knows are passed down to the next head of the secret ops. That said there are others who know those flash steps techniques. Whether they be alive or not. Maybe not as proficient but the know them, like Soi-Fon and Byakuya. Those are techniques perfected by her, but not exclusive to her. She might be the fastest in STEPS, but over long distances it could be someone else. I believe that Ukitake Shunsui Unohana Byakuya and especially Yama can go great distances over one step. So her term Goddess of flash could mean steps, not fastest, furthest flash steps in SS.
I still say Ukitake and Kyoraku are the best tag team in SS and can take anyone. And they might be able to hang with anyone on their own.
yoruchi had to look after ichigo. and her most powerful technique shunko only soifon knows and hasnt perfected. isnt flash steping when you go over great distances with less steps? i mean they call her the godess of flash i doubt anyone but yama can match her least of all byakuya who learnt from her.
Byakuya didn't use the techniques that were taught to him by her because he despises her. If he did use those techniques I wouldn't be surprised if he was just as fast as her. Just because she is the self proclaimed goddess of flash doesn't make her the fastest character in Bleach. She had to learn from someone, and before that someone had to learn from someone, and so on. If anything Yama is the epitome of all things Shinigami. Not Aizen. So compare peoples skill to Yama. Not to Aizen. You asked who used the level 90 spells without incantation? Yama did. A level 96 kido. Urahara did a level 90 spell but used incantation, but were not sure if it was chanted to throw Aizen off or if it was actually necessary for him to use the chant. Going by Kido spells isn't a gauge of how strong a shinigami is. You have to measure each ability. If Isshin can push Aizen to his limit then I believe Aizen's limits aren't that high which is why he sought after the hoguyoku. He knew he couldn't achieve his goals because there were individuals who he couldn't beat with his current level of skill.
1 stop kidding yourself byakuya is not faster than her
2 how do you know she came up with that name herself
3 some people can teach themseleves ie she created shunko, she trained hard surpassing others.
4 this is a thread about aizan, so i will compare people to aizan. make sense?
5 i meant someone other than yama, i have already said yama is stronger than aizan.
6 you used kido spells to say aizan is weak. double standards.
7 isshin is strong so he fought equally with aizan doesnt mean aizan is weak.
8 no he fled because he couldnt take on the WHOLE g13 at once.