Your Thoughts on Gin

[conan]

Tousen is a firm believer in purity, why would he "muddle himself up" by becoming part hollow/part shinigami, just for extra strength? It'd make him the same as Kenpachi in the sense that he'd only care about strength and not his precious justice.

Tousen's the LAST shinigami who'd mess with the hougyoku if you ask me :-\ My guess is he's only on Aizen's side because he believes Aizen will "purify" Soul Society, so that people like Kenpachi won't ever be able to become captains again

well not exactly, you are half right bot tousen is a seeker of power at the end, and he went to aizen for the reason he told momamura he did what he did " these eyes see justice in the path with least bloodshed" in a twisted way he sees that aizen will achieve that, and if it means to have him become vizard like or something else we havnet seen throught the hougyoku, my thought is he will do it.
anyway this thread is for gin not tousen, so I just liked the topic and popped in, well how srong is gin, we dont really know, why, becuase like ichigo called him on their first metting, he is a kitsune yarou (fox bastard), he has that smile of a satisfied fox and he is one cunning bastard, we wont know how strong he is til the end, but I would put him on par with kuchiki byakuya, I dont think he lacks skill to face some one at that level, he is skillfull and somewhat experienced, but he isnt at the top of the list to me, which might end up being wrong, aizen has a mind for technology and training, he lectured ichigo on how far he needed to go to get strength beyond shinigami's abilities, gin might have a similar liking to aizen in this part and might have ambitions of his own and used some of aizens methods to get further from what he was in soul society, all speculation though, you can never tell with bleach.

[poopoomaru]

Gin seems like he should be very powerful. Consider that he has got what has to be one of the sorriest conceptual Zanpakutos ever, and yet he still has made it to captain level. Other peoples soul slayer's do crazy things like send shock waves and disperse and hack people to pieces and create shields and beams of energy at the shikai level. His just gets longer. Longer you say? Surely you jest?! Nope . . . thats all it does . . . Nothing else?! Well . . . it gets longer really fast. . .

Perhaps that might not even be his swords power , or not it entirely. Consider that every other Zanpakuto changes its overall form when it goes Shikai. Not just shape or size , but its actual form. Whether it is Katana to rapier, wrecking ball, shurikens , shards of metal , or whatever. They always some other fundamental. Gins doesnt, no matter how long it gets its stays in the same classical japanese katana shape. Perhaps just isnt changing the shape to hide its power, and that is is supposed to transform into a spear, as its name suggests.

While this may or may not be really true, from what Ichigo's dad said about Zanpakuto's it might be entirely possible that that isnt Gin's power at all , that he is merely saying a fake incantation and name and extending the length of his sword rapidly just through reitsu control. Ichigo's dad did say that a captain level shinigami's soul slayer is actually the size of sky scrapers but that the make them smaller.

But if that is in fact his power and the true nature of his soul slayer, then imagine that in a fight with his bankai , that he would take to the sky. His zanpakuto, in bankai would be a spear at that point, its named after the god of spears or some such spear relatedness, and that he would shoot down the spear like a lightning bolt down onto his enemy.

He has got to be packing some kind of maajor power though, Aizen doesnt just see him as a pawn. Gin has been part of his plans since the beginning, he said he always considered no one else to be his vice-captain, which means to suggest I suppose that he see's Gin as a partner, while a lesser Shinigami and certainly less then him in most senses, a partner, not a minion.

[alekosss_kenpachi]

Very interesting post poopoomaru!!It could be true!But 95% Ikorose Shinshou is Gin's initial release!Of course it is sure that his zanpakutou has more abilities to be shown and it has a BANKAI that shoould be BAD-ASS!

[zelllogan]

Gin is the second and tousen is normally the third in aizen's organization. Normally they are supposed to be stronger than ulquiorria or the first arankar (if it's not the same person). That's enough to tell they are super strong.

But we have seen that tousen wasn't that strong in soul society. And in the other hand, the best arankars are maybe better than the best taichous. This is why I believe that these two are transformed by the hongoukyu (or whatever the name ).

[poopoomaru]

Very interesting post poopoomaru!!It could be true!But 95% Ikorose Shinshou is Gin's initial release!Of course it is sure that his zanpakutou has more abilities to be shown and it has a BANKAI that shoould be BAD-ASS!

lol thanks. His power though will be based on his own abilities as well as his Zanpakuto though. Unlike Bykakuya, his soul slayer power will only be reallly deadly if it is used properly.

While it would probably be cooler to see him fight aclose range person, I think I see gin fighting Ishida, the both having a long range battle.

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

Very interesting post poopoomaru!!It could be true!But 95% Ikorose Shinshou is Gin's initial release!Of course it is sure that his zanpakutou has more abilities to be shown and it has a BANKAI that shoould be BAD-ASS!

^agrees. that is a very interesting theory, poopoomaru! i'm smiling all the way while reading your post.

[BigBadBuu]

You guys are forgetting one big shounen-power-up way/method/whatever that KT offered us on a plate:

Hueco Mundo's higher reishi concentration.

All spiritual beings, there in HM, would get stronger-- not just hollows and quincy.

Assuming Aizen spent a significant amount of time in HM prior to the SS arch (which is a good assumption, considering his existing contact/relationship with both the Arrancar and Menos), it would explain why he was so impossibly powerful at the end of the SS arch.

This also explains why and how Tousen is now (apparently) so much stronger than he was in the SS arch-- not to metion Gin & Aizen.

-Buu

[poopoomaru]

You guys are forgetting one big shounen-power-up way/method/whatever that KT offered us on a plate:

Hueco Mundo's higher reishi concentration.

All spiritual beings, there in HM, would get stronger-- not just hollows and quincy.

Assuming Aizen spent a significant amount of time in HM prior to the SS arch (which is a good assumption, considering his existing contact/relationship with both the Arrancar and Menos), it would explain why he was so impossibly powerful at the end of the SS arch.

This also explains why and how Tousen is now (apparently) so much stronger than he was in the SS arch.

-Buu

This isnt the same though, that boost in power , as it is described, is temporary. It would not effect a shinigami , it effects Hollows and quincy because there is a high denisty of spirit particles. Hollows feed off of it , which is why little hollows can survive without having to eat human souls in HC, and Quincies use them for their arrows and other manipulations. Shinigami use neither. If anything a shinigami would gain more traction of spirit particles in the air and be able to float and move around better, if anything. I believe both Tousen and Gin were hiding their true powers in SS, or were in the process of mercilessy training themselves using some of the techinique Aizen likely used ( not all of them of course since Aizen wouldnt want anyone or thing challenging him).


You know what would be really really funny. Is if Gin betrays Aizen for big booby girl at some point. Aizen all like about to use his illusion power, and gin being like " You never wondered why I squinted my eyes all these years?! I HAVE NEVER LOOKED AT YOUR ZANAKUTO!!! *stabs Aizen in the chest* Well them lets go now Matsumoto * suggestive music plays*"

[alekosss_kenpachi]

This isnt the same though, that boost in power , as it is described, is temporary. It would not effect a shinigami , it effects Hollows and quincy because there is a high denisty of spirit particles. Hollows feed off of it , which is why little hollows can survive without having to eat human souls in HC, and Quincies use them for their arrows and other manipulations. Shinigami use neither. If anything a shinigami would gain more traction of spirit particles in the air and be able to float and move around better, if anything. I believe both Tousen and Gin were hiding their true powers in SS, or were in the process of mercilessy training themselves using some of the techinique Aizen likely used ( not all of them of course since Aizen wouldnt want anyone or thing challenging him).


You know what would be really really funny. Is if Gin betrays Aizen for big booby girl at some point. Aizen all like about to use his illusion power, and gin being like " You never wondered why I squinted my eyes all these years?! I HAVE NEVER LOOKED AT YOUR ZANAKUTO!!! *stabs Aizen in the chest* Well them lets go now Matsumoto * suggestive music plays*"

LOOOOOOOOL thats the reason Gin never opens his eyes!!ahhahahah!!*****
I am sure that Gin did not ever show us his true power...but Tousen never holded back when he was pawned by KenpachI!!!

I just remembered one thing about Tousen.In chapter 212 he opens a hole in the sky when he comes to take back Grimmjaw.Is not this an ability that only Hollows have?Does this mean Aizen has already used the Hogyokou already ??

[BigBadBuu]

@ poopoomaru

Shinigami are very much affected by the higher Reishi concentration-- Ishida even brought it up.

I'm assuming this will also play into any eventual storylines that take the crew into the King's Realm or even Hell.

This'd also explain why the senior captain-level characters seem, no *are*, so much more powerful than than the junior ones-- they've had alot more field experience in "exotic" locales.

-Buu

[poopoomaru]

@ poopoomaru

Shinigami are very much affected by the higher Reishi concentration-- Ishida even brought it up.

I'm assuming this will also play into any eventual storylines that take the crew into the King's Realm or even Hell.

This'd also explain why the senior captain-level characters seem, no *are*, so much more powerful than than the junior ones-- they've had alot more field experience in "exotic" locales.

-Buu

Even so, ( i am having a hard time finding the exact chapter where ishida makes the statement) the effect wouldnt be permanant so that wouldnt be a fair explanation of why Aizen is so powerful.

Levels of power between the senior and junior levels are all about presentation on Kubo's part, when really there is alot more to it them raw power. For instance, Uliquorra was very keen to mention that when Ichigo was attacking Yammy, Yammy could have avoided Ichigo's arm slicing attack , and could have put up much more of a fight if he had actually be intelligent about it. Little factors like that play a big part in fights and power.

In naruto discussions a major point has been brought up a while back about how Naruto is far level power level oriented then say DBZ , that is to say there is a stronger and a weaker and there is no exceptions or inbetween. Bleach I think is even less power level oriented then NAruto. In bleach fights often end up giving way to chance and the situation more so then they do actual power. So even more confusion happens about actual power and comparisons can be really hard.

[alekosss_kenpachi]

Even so, ( i am having a hard time finding the exact chapter where ishida makes the statement) the effect wouldnt be permanant so that wouldnt be a fair explanation of why Aizen is so powerful.

Levels of power between the senior and junior levels are all about presentation on Kubo's part, when really there is alot more to it them raw power. For instance, Uliquorra was very keen to mention that when Ichigo was attacking Yammy, Yammy could have avoided Ichigo's arm slicing attack , and could have put up much more of a fight if he had actually be intelligent about it. Little factors like that play a big part in fights and power.

In naruto discussions a major point has been brought up a while back about how Naruto is far level power level oriented then say DBZ , that is to say there is a stronger and a weaker and there is no exceptions or inbetween. Bleach I think is even less power level oriented then NAruto. In bleach fights often end up giving way to chance and the situation more so then they do actual power. So even more confusion happens about actual power and comparisons can be really hard.

Hmm i am not quite sure about this..but in bleach reiatsu usually is the critical factor in a fight!Yammi is an exception cause he is a DUMB!!Of course factors like kidou or experience always play a significant role.

As for Naruto i think that it is even less power level oriented than bleach..(IF by raw power u mean chackra) there are element manipulations where handicaps arise (fire and wind and so) and a single jutsu can many times win a match!For example Naruto has more chackra than Itachi but if Itachi casts a MS on him then we have a problem ..

[cielorossas]

i think that gin and tousen were made stronger by the incomplete hongoukyu because it still has some power in it even though it is not yet complete. there are arrancars right?

about gin's bankai.. i think it will be something like a thousand extending swords.. something like a hydra. haha..

just my two cents.

[Navarr0Newton]

ok a lil of topic butt..........
tousen is weak .dont you remember that aizen had 2 stop grimmjow from pawning him after he lost his arm.Also didnt tousen do the whole garganta thing so he may b a visored.also aizen is THE most powerful charater in Bleach so far.but what abut the thing that was behind all the menos wen the wen 2 hueco mundo.dontcha think that guy may be turned into a arrancar yet?

Now bac 2 Gin.
Gin`s znpakuto extends rite...so we know that it ha sumthin 2 do with his bankai.
if anyone watched kung fu hustle,i think his bankai will b similar 2 that.u know with like three hug spears that float around him the entire time he`s fighting and move 2 his hands at will.he miht even have a mask that looks like a kitsune (;P) lol.since he looks so much like a fox.
but seriously it ay just b a bunch of spears that he controls.or a huge spear wielding giant.

[poopoomaru]

Hmm i am not quite sure about this..but in bleach reiatsu usually is the critical factor in a fight!Yammi is an exception cause he is a DUMB!!Of course factors like kidou or experience always play a significant role.

As for Naruto i think that it is even less power level oriented than bleach..(IF by raw power u mean chackra) there are element manipulations where handicaps arise (fire and wind and so) and a single jutsu can many times win a match!For example Naruto has more chackra than Itachi but if Itachi casts a MS on him then we have a problem ..

I would have to disagree, Ichigo is currently about the only one who follows along this trend. In naruto you mentioned elements and advantages with how they clash. Your saying that there wont be advantages and disadvantages to the random Zanpakuto powers more so even then to reitsu level? Strange and quirky powers like making something heavier by hitting it , the power to hypnotize, changing the sword into a whip , the switch from single to double blade. Factors like play a huggge part to power, on par even with just raw power.