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Well, pessimism aside, there's no point in not trying. Who knows what the Sports landscape will be 50 years from now?
Yes, I'm an Orioles fan. We were good last year for the first time in a long time, so yes...some have come back.
I feel like rooting for Chelsea or United is like an international rooting for the Yankees or Lakers - it's convenient.
Messi, Messi, Messi ... an amazing player but that never in the world deserved to achieve 4 golden balls in a row ... i am not even mad about this year's because all 3 had arguments to win this, but at 2010's it was so stupid.
And anyone took a lot to Messi's suit?
While it is a popularity contest, Messi does deserve the Ballon D'Or.
These types of awards are always popularity contests, in all sports. But could an actual argument be made that someone deserved it more than him the last four years? I don't see it at all. You're going to give it to Xavi or Iniesta over Messi? Both are stellar players, but please. Maybe you could argue Ronaldo, but I still don't think he was BETTER than Messi in any of those years.
Nope Ronaldo wasn't lol. The only people who thinks Iniesta/Xavi deserve it is the people who thinks Messi NEEDS them to be any good. As much as I dislike Ronaldo, he is the only close competition Messi has right now. However, if Michu or Falcao continues their form, then Messi will have some serious competition. Yes...I said it....MICHU!!! Giovincco is saying something too
Look, Messi is the best player in the world, and I believe that his 91 goals will never be surpassed, unless he himself surpasses his own record, but I've thought that he's been better overall in the past at certain points.
Messi deserves the Ballon D'Or, don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't have had a problem with Ronaldo winning this year.
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Hmm...I didn't realize that Di Matteo got screwed out of coach of the year by only 0.7 percent. I figured that people would give it to Pep by an even larger margin, even with him not winning anything important last season.
Frosty, can you really bring up what Messi didn't accomplish with his team the past year as an argument against him and then boost Ronaldo for performing for his team when it wasn't decisive? Saying Messi didn't "perform" in a SF is like saying Babe Ruth struck out. This might have mattered if they were closer, but yeah...key number is 91 so....
I mean, I don't know. I don't watch every minute of every match they've played, but 91 freaking goals
Ronaldo beat Messi head to head last season and won the La Liga title, plus got Portugal to the Euro SFs, which is more than Messi did.
In the 10/11 season, when Ronaldo scored more goals than Messi and broke the La Liga scoring record, the Ballon d'Or went to Messi because Barcelona won the La Liga title and the CL, so it seemingly works both ways for Messi, but not for Ronaldo. I'm not saying that Ronaldo necessarily was better than Messi, but I do think that perhaps Ronaldo has gotten a raw deal at times.
In terms of the voting, what do you think of these numbers?
141 voters didn't put Ronaldo in their top three (you vote for three players, numbered 1-3, with 5, 3, and 1 points being awarded respectively). These include 58 international captains, which means that more than a third (35 percent) of captains omitted Ronaldo from their top three; 47 international coaches, and 36 media representatives.
On the the other hand, 44 voters did not mention Messi in their top three at all; 18 international captains, 13 international coaches, and 13 media representatives. Those included such people as Bruno Alves (the replacement Portugal captain for a day so that Ronaldo could get extra points as you can't vote for yourself), Iker Casillas, and Vincente Del Bosque, all people with an axe to grind against Messi for one reason or another. It really seemed that people felt more pressured to vote for Messi than Ronaldo.
I'm not taking anything away from 91 goals, but when Ronaldo outscored Messi and broke the La Liga scoring record, all we heard was Barca won La Liga and the CL, end of story. Now, Madrid wins La Liga with a record point total of 100 and they do quite well against Bayern in the CL SF (still losing, admittedly), and on an individual level, Ronaldo nearly carried Portugal to the Euro Finals all on his own. Barca only won the Copa del Rey, Messi did nothing of note on the international level, although he did boost his total with a good number of goals against poor national teams, but Argentina not having a competition on the level of the Euros to play in isn't his fault. I'm just saying that Ronaldo and Messi haven't been treated equally.
Was Messi the better individual performer? Yes, but in the past, when Ronaldo was the better individual performer, all we heard about was the team performance.
Like we said, a lot of these awards are popularity contests. Ronaldo is at a disadvantage because he isn't well-liked. Taking that out of it though, he still didn't have a better year than Messi in my opinion. I don't know, I think we're watching someone play who's deserving of winning it four years in a row and I don't see someone outperforming him so obviously that it doesn't pass the smell test. I don't know.
That's sort of saying that you have to blow the incumbent out of the water in order to nab the Ballon d'Or, which shouldn't be how it is.
I think Ronaldo's a jerk, which is a big reason why people don't vote for him, but everyone acts like it's a reason to downgrade all of his performances.
What would you say if Ronaldo outscored Messi this season and Madrid won the CL (Barca's already won the league barring some historic collapse, so I'm not counting that), but still lost the next edition of the Ballon d'Or?
What if Messi beats Ronaldo's point total for a season and wins everything but the CL? It becomes less about numbers and more about what you see with your eyes eventually.
Though, this season has a bit of a wrench thrown into it by the name of Falcao. Depending on how the latter half of this season pans out, it's conceivable Ronaldo might not even be a runner-up with he and other Barcelona players clogging it up. Who knows?
In all likelihood, I think if Real Madrid won the CL and Ronaldo had a year that was better or at least matches Messi, he should probably win. But if Messi even comes close to replicating last years numbers, aside from Barcelona tanking and winning nothing, I don't know if I can say Ronaldo deserves it more.
Don't worry Frost...Falcao or Suarez will win it next time