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Singles Tier List
Only characters that had at least one match (or currently have one) are to be ranked. For Doubles, only players that played together before may be ranked.
Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
Last edited by Kaoz; June 18, 2014 at 02:20 AM.
Kauser vs Gin is very debatable... But yeah probably Krauser has the upper hand.
And Big Bang is still way better than Viking Horn.
It only has Pairs that we've seen more than once or that we know that have been playing together for a while.
Platinum Pair - Yagyuu/Niou
Golden Pair - Kikumaru/Oishi
Data Pair - Inui/Yanagi
Two Wings of Kyūshū - Tachibana/Chitose
Champion Pair - Marui/Jackal
Emerald Pair - Kaidou/Inui
Dream Pair - Kikumaru/Fuji
Silver Pair - Shishido/Ootori
Idiot Pair - Konjiki/Hitouji
Bronze Pair - Kurobane/Amane
Jimmies - Minami/Higashikata
Last edited by Hardy; December 30, 2012 at 04:42 PM.
In the Inui/Yanagi tag team match it's clear neither of them actually have the data of their opponent so whoever went first was going to get pummeled.
Given Data Tennis pretty much has a model of 'more data trumps anything', you'd pretty much always want the better player go to first because then the other guy will be able to get more meaningful data and this trumps whatever inherent skill differences between the Data Tennis type guys. For example we know Inui has difficulty getting Fuji's data mostly because everyone Fuji matches up is too weak for him to collect any meaningful data.
So Yanagi should still be slightly better than Inui at this point.
For Kirihara, since Devil Form is retconned to have a significant endurance penalty, Nakagauchi will pretty much eat Devil Form alive with his endurance style. Kirihara will probably score a bunch of points in bursts and get him totally bloddied but he'll just stand up and continue playing the same way he did against Krauser and Kirihara will collapse due to running out of energy. The power of the Angel Form is mostly unknown at this point (seems like a generic buff but unclear what extent it buffs) so it'd be hard to discuss how that works.
Also I have trouble seeing GP and DP that far above WoK. From what we know about Synchro, WoK should be stronger than GP (unless you want to argue that Oishi and Kikumaru have better stats than Tachibana and Chitose), assuming Moujuu no Synchro for them at least.
Miyako/Matsudaira are too high. Yanagi and Inui would be able to gather their data probably, which should trivialize Flower. The only threat to Yanagi/Kirihara and Inui/Kaidou is Miyako and he's slow, so he can probably be avoided during rallies for the most part.
There are other things I don't agree with, but those should be enough for starters.
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I'm sorry but it's not like Mitsuya had data on Yanagi, yet he kicked his ass completely. Completely.
Yanagi died on the court.
Given that Yanagi gave up on data and played tennis like a regular dude kinda showed that he wasn't even trying to necessarily give Inui data.
Yanagi even retired from the match since he felt he had no chance.
I think you've given nothing to prove Yanagi > Inui.
I would say they're equal but no way is Yanagi the stronger one right now.
Except DM!Kirihara completely trashed Krauser in the blink of an eye.Quote:
DM!Kirihara poses a completely different threat than Krauser. He is clearly far more dangerous than the Southern Cross considering he survived it and massacred Krauser.
I don't see why people are underestimating Kirihara.
I don't necessarily see Nakagauchi > Kirihara from that and I think Kirihara can edge it. He's not even trying to score points or KO his opponent like Nakagauchi, he just wants to dye them red.
I agree with Hardy, his Speed rockets when he goes DM. Cornered shots aren't gonna really stop Kirihara.
And as much as it sucks, Angle Mode is exclusive to pairing with Shiraishi.
In U-17 Camp, Kaidoh will still edge out Kirihara since despite his insanity, he cannot handle the snakes and Gyro Laser from the same stance.
Kaidoh and Kirihara should bt Gin.
I mean, Marui can return Momo's power from the back of the court with one hand.
With power wrists on.
I don't think Yushi would be helpless if he could prepare for the shot.
Hirakoba - Habu, ShukuchihoQuote:
Marui - Wonder Castle, Tightrope, Pole Shot, Temporal Hell Difference
Shishido - Dash, Rising Counter
Tohno - Execution Methods individually has to be above Ochi,
Kimijima - Didn't even do a lot of the match at 60% as he thought it was too much, effortlessy defated Nationals!Marui in net play
Chinen - bt Nationals!Tanishi, has Shukuchiho so must be in Kai's tier.
Hakamada - Must be stronger than Mitsuya, so he's above Inui/Yanagi lvl. Vanishi cannot be predicted,
Fuwa - Prediction does not work due to Closed Eyes, He must be the strongest player out of the No.11-20 group
Minami - Must be individually stronger than Mizuki since Minami reached 7th Court whilst Mizuki could only reach 9th Court. When only 5th Court and 6th Court was filled up.
I'll continue this list soon. But I do think there are others we can add to this list, I think we have more info than we realize.
Last edited by Airgrimes; December 31, 2012 at 10:51 AM.
However, in that Nationals match, when there was no sequel planned, Konomi handed Kaidoh DM for fanservice sure, but fanservice or not, he had DM at the Nationals.
Regardless of the DM, Kirihara was helpless against Gyro laser and the snakes from the same stance.
He was completely defeated by it.
If you look at it from a neutral view, how could Kaidoh lose?
Kaidoh > Kirihara.
I just want somebody to state why Kirihara is better like Kaoz has already asked.
It's difficult to judge based on a direct confrontation, simply because it never happened. Kaidou's laser-snake combination destroyed red eyes Kirihara, but Devil Akaya never had to face it in the first place. It depends on whether you think the increased speed and mental strength is enough to return it and finish the job before he runs out of stamina.
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Laser-snake combo at worst can put up a decent fight against devil mode, because if it's anything less than that Kirihara would've just attacke Kaidoh instead. The fact that didn't happen implies Kaidoh can at least defend himself against devil mode. Given devil mode is retconned to have a significant penalty this means even if all you do is defend against it you'd win over time rather easily due to devil mode's drawbacks.
No, not necessarily. If Kirihara wants to torture Kaidou mentally, he'll attack Inui regardless of whether he could take on Kaidou head on or not.
BTW, Kaidoh never hit a tennis ball in DM, so he doesn't have it and never will.
Also, offtopic but who cares, Kirihara is probably the only player that got a downgrade in PoT history (come on, DM over Muga? who the hell wants that).
About the Momo thing... I was just talking crap, cause you never know what would have happened, but you know WHAT happened, Yuushi won. And I think the result is more improtant actually, we're debating who would win, not who would peform better.
How do you know that Atobe is better at doubles than Yagyuu? In fact, I think Yagyuu is the best partner for Niou (who is the best doubles player in the series), that's why I have them up there.
I won't assume Moujuu no Synchro until we see it winning some points. Everthing we know about it it's that it wasn't enough to beat a pair that only had synchro. So, GP> WoK in my eyes. DP well, I think they are at the same level as GP.
Miyako/Matsudaira too high... I can agree with that!
Last edited by Hardy; January 03, 2013 at 02:51 PM.
Kirihara's everything (except stamina) raise in DM, so I'm pretty sure that he'll be able to hit back Kaidou's shots.
Yanagi and Inui would figure out how to return it without getting killed in the act. And Kirihara beat the crap out of Krauser (and we said that he was better than Gin... right?)
What you said about Atobe and Yagyuu made sense though... where would you put Platinum Pair in the list? I think it should be above the Mutsus.