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Singles Tier List
Only characters that had at least one match (or currently have one) are to be ranked. For Doubles, only players that played together before may be ranked.
Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
Last edited by Kaoz; June 18, 2014 at 02:20 AM.
Back on topic though, you think that Yuushi or Hirakoba got a huge improvement in this camp (in order to be better than their team mates) just like Niou did?
Catching a 190 km/h serve with your hands > returning a 200 km/h serve btw, lol.
During the nationals match, it took him until 1-3 to realize that his data was off and he finished fixing it at 2-5, 0-40 (both of the games Inui/Kaidou won were from Waterfall, so basically the same situation as with Scud Serve above), which is essentially 3 games.
Lastly, against Rikkai, his data was wrong from the beginning and he thought he had fixed it at 0-3, at which point Renji declared that Inui had collected the wrong data. The second time he finished fixing it was at 1-5, so 3 games again.
@Kaoz, I'll reply to the post you made in the other thread eventually. I finally land a job like... yesterday, after being unemployed after graduating for about 4 months. So I'm just kinda busy right now. There's probably going to be a fair bit of small comments like this. Probably nothing long from me in a long time coming, starting now.
Against Yagyuu, I think its clear that Niou was still in his Nationals state and it takes several points before he can activate his Illusion.
Considering Ochi, Mouri, Mutsu² all fell for this Illusion I don't see why Yanagi wouldn't.
Sanada even said "Atobe/Tezuka pair this is worth the watch" or something along that line, so I think the Illusion is pretty strong as his own teammates see him as Tezuka.
I think at Nationals, those PP statements are accurate.
But now we're at the Genius10 arc and are a 100+ chapters into the U-17 Camp, I firmly think Niou > Yanagi, Yushi > Jirou and Hirakoba >/= Kai
The fact that they all now have either Stats/Illusions superior to the guy that is "supposedly" above them says that to me.
He couldn't handle it before MountainTraining I don't see why he should now.
If you're going to assume Shishido can now hit back Neo-Scud then I could just as easily assume Neo-Scud has gotten faster in this period of time.
Not to mention the fact that Ootori's rallying has improved as said in the PP's after he lost to a Court6 then defeated one in his next shuffle.
One example is Doubles for Hyoutei, secondly he was up against Shishido/Ootori who are most certainly going to be a stronger Doubles pair than Court6.
Against Hyoutei, the great plot twist of the match was that Mukahi/Hiyoshi purposely played at much fiercer pace and fought against their own data.
They played completely unnaturally. Otherwise Inui's predictions would have been right after like 2 games.
Against Yanagi/Kirihara, that is different because he was up against a fellow DT player who was aiming purposely to destroy Inui's data as oppose to playing his own natural style.
The only example we have of Inui in Singles with his methods working reasonably quickly from data are Yanagi, Ryoma and Tezuka.
Funnily enough, these are his only shown Singles matches as his loss to Kaidoh was off-screened.
None of that is relevant, the numbers I brought up demonstrated how he did against someone he didn't have the correct data on. If he had to play against a HSer at that time, it would've been the same.
And of course he'll have the correct data in an on-screen singles match, otherwise he'd probably get stomped and it wouldn't be worth showing. Same reason why we'll never see Sanada actually keep up his head on challenge throughout an entire match.
Just a question, are we considering Kamio here who can use Mōjū no Aura freely? Kamio who can use the aura freely should easily be on the tier of Sengoku, since he actually beat Sengoku even without that aura and I'm only considering him on Sengoku's tier and not higher because Sengoku has higher stats. If this is Kamio who can't use the aura freely, shouldn't Ibu be raise a tier, since they're pretty even in their tie-break game and Kamio only edged out a win since Ibu made his own cord ball drop on his own side of the court.
http://mangafox.me/manga/new_prince_...2/c008/13.html there is no evidence of the Moju no Aura. Also when he used it before it completely drained his stamina and he had to forfeit his match against shtenhouji.
I also want to bring up a point I mentioned earlier, is Hirakoba actually a C tier character. I think there is evidence he can use the Ohabu freely. He used it in his match http://mangafox.me/manga/new_prince_...01/c003/5.html . Since he was not playing an extremely tough opponent for him (as he was able to make it to the 6th court) it seems that he most likely can use the Ohabu often. Even the habu itself should be enough to put him as a border line player.
While I personally feel that Kamio can't use Moujuu at any time he wants, there is no real evidence suggesting otherwise. He didn't use it against Ibu, but a number of characters didn't use all of their skills in those matches, so I don't think that's very conclusive. As such, I'd also be in favour of putting him into the higher tier.
That said, if we come to the consensus that he can't use it, I'd rather drop him than raise Ibu. I don't see what Ibu really has over Hitouji and Yuuta at least.
As for Hirakoba, we should consider that more characters could be able to return Ohabu more easily as well now given that their stats improved.
Also, just so that we don't lose track, from what I can see, the current topics are:
-Hirakoba to C
-Ootori to E
-Kamio somewhere else (depending on whether we assume Moujuu or not)
-Mizuki (unless that was resolved)
(Lemme know if I missed anything.)
Once those are resolved, we can move on to the HSers.