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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Singles Tier List
Only characters that had at least one match (or currently have one) are to be ranked. For Doubles, only players that played together before may be ranked.
Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
Last edited by Kaoz; June 18, 2014 at 02:20 AM.
Do you see Akutsu beating Niou, Shiraishi or Kite? You should had said that before btw, lol.
About Hakamada... I thought that Data players would find a way to break Vanish. That being said and now that I think about it, he still had a better rank than Mitsuya, so yeah you're right, he should go up.
And yeah, Akutsu won't beat Niou in a 1set match, but in a 3set match, Niou's arm should give way and he'll stop being able to spam Tezuka's moves.
Akutsu swoops in for the kill afterwards.
I think Akutsu will beat Shiraishi since I think they mentioned Akutsu's benefit is his unorthodox tennis style and I'm hoping that the whole 10ao thing might have relevance to Akutsu's tennis outside of facing the Oni/Tokugawa bunch.
I really can't tell with Kite. I mean, his Shukuchiho seems really godly when I think about it.
Well, looking at it from another perspective, should Kamio be an entire tier above Ibu?
No... and Ibu doesn't really deserve to go up, as he should be around Yuuta's lvl or worse (considering his stats, and the fact that Yuuta forced Echizen to improve back in the day, something that Ibu didn't manage to do).
K, I'm fine with Kamio in crap tier.
I really think Kenya and Yuushi fine the way he is right now. I don't think anyone in D tier is capable of stealing 4 points from Shiraishi when they play 11 points. Jirou, who got stomp 6-1 by Fuji clearly can't. And so, Yuushi who is #3 clearly can't either.
But if it have to be one or the other, I rather see Yuushi up than Kenya down. I think Yuushi is stronger than Jirou myself, but… what I thought doesn't always translated over well.
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@The list Hardy posted
I don't like B and C Tier too much personally.
I think Mitsuya should be in a higher tier, although having him in the same tier as Ochi etc. also doesn't look quite right. So maybe splitting B Tier again would be a good idea, it could look like this:
Kite and Niou could both be B- as well. For Niou, I think we need to determine how many TPhantoms he actually used against Ochi/Mouri. I think there's an argument to be made for both ~50 and less than 10, which obviously highly impacts who he can win against, even in a 1 set match (8 ZSS and 10 Phantoms are only enough for four and a half games).
Last edited by Kaoz; November 04, 2013 at 07:45 AM.
I like the list tier that's there, but I think Momoshiro and Yamato can move up, and I think Kite should be move down 1 tier to B- as well. Kite, as good as he is, got 6-0 by Tezuka with simply Hyakuren. I don't see that with anyone else in that tier that way. I think of Yamato as about more or less even with National! Tezuka, so... As for Momoshiro, if you look at Hara/Taira tech/power stats, that cut off a fair bit of people. I think Momoshiro's achievement of soloing 18-19 earn him at least that much.
I wouldn't mind seeing Niou remain in the B+ tier, too.
I don't really feel like Yamato should move up, he only ranked 10th on the 2nd string list and I don't feel like that's good enough to say he'd be able to compete with the No. 17 for instance (ranking wise anyway, GUYU should work pretty well against Mitsuya due to Mitsuya being a data player). I'd like to say more about his actual match-ups, but quantifying his abilities is pretty difficult.
Just wondering in a three set match wouldn't Yamato beat Niou?
Wouldn't Shiraishi, Chitose, Fuji and Tachibana be able to eventually see through Hakamada's vanish? I think that Hakamada should be in the B- Tier rather than B+. After the vanish, there isn't a large difference between Hakamada and the B- tier characters in stats except for power.
Tachibana has a five in power, which is the same as Tooyama. That's without the beat aura.
Shiraishi has a four in all stats (I think this is when he is wearing his gauntlet. The young master says that when he takes off his gauntlet, his power increases but his leg speed does not. Since Shiraishi trains to increase his all-around abilities, he would not change his training to only increase his speed to the same level. So his stats are him with his gauntlet on). If he takes off his gauntlet he can handle Hakamada.
Chitose is a strategist, he can see through the vanish and then activate Saiki to find a way to contain Hakamada's power.
For Fuji as we said before with a 5 in technique you can perfectly return the gate keeper. Hakamada has a 4. If they cannot return it perfectly Hoshi Hanabi wins.
Last to introduce another question shouldn't Hirakoba be in the C tier?
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Disregard the part about Niou and Yamato. If Niou switched to Kabaji or another player who played on instinct (and power) rather than prediction, Niou would win.
Well, I think the stronger the player are, the more likely they'll predict their opponent move. There are only a few we know that simply move and hit the ball. I can actually think of Kintarou and Akutsu on top of my head. I think GUYU should work well against most 1st stringer (although with enough stats difference, it wouldn't matter, like shown by Tezuka). He might have harder time trying to get GUYU to work against someone from 10th court, or maybe even 3rd court.
@floman, Kintarou have a eyesight that's incredible (look at databook on Sai post, I think he mention this multiple time). Maybe insane would be more correct of a word. Even in the end, Kintarou do NOT see though Vanish. He simply replicate himself so that it wouldn't matter where the ball go.