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Singles Tier List
Only characters that had at least one match (or currently have one) are to be ranked. For Doubles, only players that played together before may be ranked.
Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
Last edited by Kaoz; June 18, 2014 at 02:20 AM.
Here's some fact.
1. As of the current timeline without any assumption about their future match, WoK lost to 3rd court Doubles 1.
2. 3rd Court Doubles 1 should be weaker than 2nd court doubles, 1st court doubles, and especially 1st stringer doubles. It's the way shuffle court is meant to work.
If you think 3rd court doubles 1 can beat Taira/Hara, then I don't really want to debate that with you. I don't think they are as strong as Taira/Hara, even if they do have Syncho. And espeically not the pair that just beat Taira/Hara, even if they just win due to the virtue of one move. A win is a win.
Last edited by -Ken-; January 27, 2013 at 07:40 PM.
In the game 3rd court battle that Krauser played it's said that he's overreliant on one hit KO moves. But honestly if you have a move that can one hit KO an opponent does it really matter if you suck everywhere else? In a doubles match if you KO one of the opponents there's no way the other team can win since whoever got KOed cannot hold his serve, and can never return a serve either unless you're already ahead 4-1 or better with the guy who didn't get knocked out about to serve (and assuming this guy can win his serve single handedly).
Now the easiest way to deal with moves like BJK is just get out of the way because it's just one point and it doesn't seem like it's a move you can use on every point, but characters in POT are too stupid to figure this out and they always try to return the crazy shots that can possibly kill you. Looking at their place in story I don't see Momoshiro/Kenya being all that strong, but as long as their opponent is dumb enough to try to return BJK and possibly breaking their hand over it, they're definitely a very strong team.
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You can't say 'but this technique says it's awesome'. Hyakuren and Saiki would lose to World of Ice on its own because you can't double return a shot that you cannot hit, and Saiki will just tell you that Atobe is about to hit a shot that you cannot return, and even World of Ice isn't really noteworthy in NPOT which is why we have the Atobe Kingdom upgrade.
Taira/Hara > Washio/Suzuki because Taira has Bakyuun. I agree of course.
But look at it this way. Had Taira/Hara known that Momoshiro had BJK don't you think the match would have played out differently?
They were hitting it it to Momo allowing him to hit his Jack Knife just so they could shit on the move for fun. Taira/Hara were just having fun.
I'll be honest here, since Hara/Taira nearly shat themselves when they noticed Momoshiro could use BJK, I think its clear they would have just not aimed for Momo early on and I think thats in their capabilities personally since if you remember, without BJK, Kenya and Momoshiro were getting dominated completely they looked a joke.
Yes, as a pair they have BJK but... Once that is gone they are back to be an awful pair again.
There are tons of MS pairs that would beat Nationals!Momo/Kenya. In fact, they can't actually take many points from Hirakoba/Chinen.
Nationals!Momo/Kenya is that useless.
As for BJK, basic Biology here, hitting a powerful shot on the racket part directly beside your wrist will put far less pressure than hitting the shot on the racket strings far away from your wrist.
Think about it. Hitting it with the racket throat that is nearby your hand will be a lot less painful on the wrist than having to gather the strength in your arms to hit it back with your racket strings whilst the BJK spins violently on your strings as you take a difficult swing to hit it back.
By hitting it on the throat of the racket like Abare Dama does, there would be no possibility for the ball to spin violently on your racket and rape your wrists.
It will likely just knock the racket straight out of your hand but it shouldn't hurt your wrist.
Sure it will probably knock the racket out of Tachibana's hand constantly but its not impossible that he returns it.
Didn't Momoshiro receive several BJK's before giving up? I think Tachibana personally can survive some too.
Taira/Hara like a lot of these HSers are not physically strong.
It's not biology. It's Physics. And it's the opposite. Further away it is, the less force it will be required to take the ball back to the opponents. I got 5 in AP Physics AB, whatever that's worth.
And I only saw you stated "If they play smart, they can win". The only single time that I saw people plays smart in PoT is when Sanada stops using Rai against Tezuka because Rai will make him lose. Niou doesn't change back to Tezuka to not hit cord ball when he's fighting Fuji.
PoT characters like to face each other head on and wins. They might plays smart, but that's really high assumption because it happen such a few times in the manga.
So its all about pressure and not about breaking bones. Since if Momo's hand was broken, he wouldn't be back in action so freaking soon.
A broken hand requires a long time to get back into tennis.
So that confirms that all BJK does is damage the muscles in your wrists.
This proves the theory that the damage is done due to the violent spin on the ball when it touches the opponent's racket.
And Ken, two things, if the ball with violent spin hits against your racket strings, the pressure to return it will be all on your wrist.
If the the ball with violent spin hits your racket throat, there isn't any room for the ball to generate the violent spin, secondly, Abare Dama is a Drive Volley so Tachibana is sprinting towards the BJK and because the ball is so close to his own hand he's almost punching it away.
Considering Momoshiro can survive numerous BJK's, Why is it impossible to suggest that Tachibana + Mojuu no Aura + Abare Dama won't return Momoshiro's BJK which is more than likely weaker than Oni's since Oni and Momoshiro simply cannot have the same stats.
Going back to what I've said, its all about the pressure on the wrist muscle considering Momo's two wrists couldn't have been broken and healed so neatly so fast.
Only a few weeks have gone.
And that Abare Dama involves no real tension on wrists since the ball is going to simply fly straight off the metal as oppose to being absorbed by the racket strings.
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Tachibana + Mojuu no Aura + Abare Dama should surely be able to hit back BJK. Its not like BJK is godly anyway. It got shat on by Nationals!Tooyama.
And Momoshiro survived several of Oni's.
You're assuming that Tachibana is phsically weak right now. Just because Taira and Hara lost to Momoshiro's BJK does NOT mean that Tachibana, a man who wrecked Fuji's racket before he got Mojuu no Aura will be finished by a BJK from Momo.
More importantly, Tachibana is known as a physically strong player like Momo is.
Once he enters Mojuu no Aura and uses Abare Dama and Abare Jishi all at once, I can't see Momoshiro's BJK being enough to KO him.
And remember, Momoshiro's BJK is relying on KO'ing Tachibana in order to win. Just like Hara dodges shots, I'm certain Chitose will do the same and let Tachibana hit his Abare Dama they are a canon pair after all.
Also, its been kinda shown that Momoshiro can't even Jack Knife on demand and that he has to set it up. This means he has to set up a BJK.
So he has limited chances of even hitting his BJK, which shouldn't really damage the wrist of Tachibana.
I guess you could counter me by saying Tachibana is physically weak, (Not true)
Or... That despite Momoshiro being able to survive several of Oni's BJK's, Tachibana will be KO'd in one shot by Momoshiro's even weaker BJK.
Last edited by Airgrimes; January 28, 2013 at 02:06 PM.
About the science stuff, go back and learn AP physics then you can debate it with me. Physics wise, hitting with racquet will deals more impact to your hand in comparison to hitting it with racquet string. Seriously. There's nothing to debate there. It's pure life physics.
Eh, all I saw is just theory of how Tachibana stand a chance against Momoshiro. Like I say before, shows me a proof from a manga that Tachibana is 1st string material. I only found proof that he's 3rd court. Overwrite that proof with actual manga material and you win.
You say Chitose "could" dodge and let Tachibana handle it. I don't think Tachibana can win against what 2 1st stringer couldn't win. As he, by himself, is just a 3rd court level. That's where Konomi placed him. National! Shiraishi had trouble against 3rd court until he takes off his gauntlet. It's nothing to be ashamed of. But Momoshiro is 1st court material. And Tachibana just aren't going to win against someone who is 1st stringer when he can't win against someone who is 3rd court. Beast Aura+Abare Dame puts him equal to 3rd court before syncho. It's not going to do anything to Momoshiro who is 1st stringer.
Chitose is pretty much fodder here. As soon as he hit a ball by Momoshiro, he's out.
Theory crafting is fine, but really, SPoT is a different manga than PoT. Characters are in different tiers now. Momoshiro is in 1st stringer tier. WoK is just 3rd court. I don't see what's so hard to understand. If you can't show me a proof from manga that they aren't 1st stringer material, then don't bother posting anymore.
The matter is just "tier". It doesn't matter how the techniques are. I remember seeing people putting Yagyuu higher than Kaidoh before SPoT starts and he get his curved laser simply because of "tier". Momoshiro is higher tier than Tachibana. It's really that simple. Look at the page where Momoshiro beat 1st stringer and page where Tachibana lost to 3rd court. That sets their current tier.
3rd court is not a weak tier. I just want to make that clear. They lost to 1st stringer tier, but so will any other characters that doesn't get upgrade in SPoT. Shiraishi, who was regards one of the stronger high tier, would have get crush by players in Doubles 2 without taking off his gauntlet. Krauser also got shat on. But it's just not as high as 1st stringer, that is all.
Kirihara beat Tachibana, therefore Kirihara is better than Tachibana.
Fuji beat Kirihara, therefore Fuji is better than Kirihara and Tachibana.
At this point in the series, you would have said Fuji is better than both Kirihara and Tachibana because of the above premises. I would have disagreed with you, and been proven right when Tachibana makes Fuji look like an idiot before the Nationals. You only take the "what" into account. The "what" is Tachibana lost to Kirihara directly, and Fuji indirectly. However, that theory is incomplete because you do not take the "why" into account. The reason "why" Tachibana lost to Kirihara, is because he was not using his typical aggressive attack style that he is known for, which creates a handicap. Sure, we didn't know this at the time, but the author's hints are what make me prepare the mental fields for rain. I was not surprised when Tachibana unofficially wrecked Fuji, because I knew his true abilities were not yet shown.
All this to say everything you say will only apply until Konomi writes his inevitable tier jumping. I think it is both safe and necessary to take that into account.
You can't just stick with the character's past ranking forever. In POT the WoK are the 'national tier', i.e. supposed to be able to put up a fight against Tezuka, while Momoshiro is just an average guy in a school that never made it very far in the nationals. But you can't say just because WoK were national tier and Momoshiro was fodder tier in the past this means it can never change. If Kaidoh inexplicably defeated Byodouin you don't say 'this means the truckloads of people who could've defeated Kaidoh are all clearly better than Byodouin too". All this would mean is that Kaidoh is now inexplicably in the god tier and all the guys who used to beat him easily is clearly no match for him now. Momoshiro won his doubles in a rather dominating fashion (Niou used an anti-synchro gimmick, while Kawamura actually lost the game but were handed badges for saving their opponents) so this puts them very high on the doubles hierarchy. When and if Konomi remembers that there's supposed to be this Beast Synchro or whatever I'm sure the WoK will improve too but until that actually happens, the WoK is really nobody special at this point and there's a more than good chance Konomi may never have them play again.
Last edited by Phantron; January 29, 2013 at 02:43 AM.
This no longer about Physics so your physics knowledge lacks relevance here.
Human Muscle pressure is about human biology. Which I do know.
I don't think it's necessary to take that into account. Unless you want to make a tier list of where the characters will be at the end of SPoT, then yes, by all means, takes that into accounts. I'm only interested in constructing an accurate current tier list as of the current chapter, though.
Why have you confused his Singles ability with his Doubles Ability?
Would Tachibana really have lost to Nakagauchi? I doubt it.
Would Tachibana have really lost to Yamato, something we can discuss. (Irie is Top10 level as we know lol).
Tachibana as a Singles player is not 3rd Court level.
Why would you judge him like that? Nothing shows his Singles ability so far in SPoT so I don't know why you are saying he is 3rd Court level as an individual.
You are now implying Kenya > Tachibana individually with your logic.
Which is so wrong its disgusting.
If you don't have proof, it's assumption. Simple. Show me a proof in SPoT that place him above 3rd court.
WoK are 3rd Court Tier in Doubles when up against a Synchro pair.
Individually, they would have creamed Washio or Suzuki.
Individually, you yourself have no idea how Tachibana or Chitose would do against Momoshiro.
You say because Momo has a No.19 badge he is now 1st String material sure, but in Doubles he is 1st String material.
Not in Singles. Same with Kenya. They are a 1st String pair.
individually, Kenya is quite poor and will be exploited.
To say Momoshiro is a 1st String level Singles player because he bt No.s12/18 means you think Kenya is also a 1st String tier player and is individually tiers above Tachibana and Chitose.
So you have to recognize that Momo/Kenya have only proven to be 1st String material in Doubles and only due to BJK.
He was paired with Kirihara who wasn't in Devil Mode, so we basically had Prefecturals!Kirihara in that match.
Had it been in Singles I don't think it would have been such a harsh 4-0 slamming from Miyako or Matsu against Shiraishi.
Simply because Nakagauchi > Matsu and Miyako in Singles I think it has been implied.
After the GG removal, it was basically the same Prefecturals!Kirihara that was smashing away against them taking it to 4-4 whilst Shiraishi was taking it easy.
So no, I don't think that 3rd Court was really at the same level as Nationals!Shiraishi in Singles.
Shiraishi/Akaya, being a makeshift pair with no combination prowess unlike Miyako/Matsudaira also, there are several factors you're missing.
Washio/Suzuki having combination prowess, whereas WoK not having played together in a year, so to determine their Singles abilities from this isn't right.