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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Singles Tier List
Only characters that had at least one match (or currently have one) are to be ranked. For Doubles, only players that played together before may be ranked.
Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
Last edited by Kaoz; June 18, 2014 at 02:20 AM.
Anyways, seriously, I think that dream that Konomi ways of foreshadowing Hoshi Hanabi. Or it could be that Inui's data improve to the point where he can predict Fuji's new tech based upon the time knowing him as well as knowing Fuji's 5th counter.
Either way, I don't see much relation as to way Fuwa will magically knows Yukimura tech from never playing him at all? Did he just guess it? Or can Yukimura control what kind of dream you're having too? That's far more of an assumption than Fuwa not having his Mirror Eyes in my opinion, as I see nothing at all that suggests that Yukimura can control what kind of dream you're having.
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This is the English translation for the scene Inui talked about Fuji:
However in my Chinese version Inui says, "Besides, he (Fuji) finished *that move*".
At least based on the Chinese version Inui is clearly aware that Fuji was working on a new move, so he was thinking about it but it turned into a nightmare. If it's not a translation erorr, it could be something that's changed in the published version, because frankly that statement makes no sense. Fuji has only lost in a singles match once (to Shiraishi), so there's no way to know if Fuji has a perfect record on never losing twice. I suppose he lost in doubles before but he's not supposed to be a doubles player so that'd actually be expected.
Last edited by Phantron; February 25, 2013 at 03:05 AM.
Yukimura made his opponents see them getting crushed before, why is it so unbelievable that he can make them dream of something that makes them win? It's not like it necessarily had to be the mirror eyes, but more like giving them a general idea and Fuwa can easily imagine the rest on his own.
Then, sleeping is generally intepret along dreaming, so he may have his ability is just putting his opponents to sleep.
It is clear that Fuwa didn't know Yukimura before. He even call him "strong middle schooler" even at the end of the match.
Saying that Yukimura can control dream for me is far more of assumption than Fuwa having mirror eyes. The eyes things is at least support by manga panel.
Even if Yukimura can control dream, it doesn't make sense to me as to why Fuwa would be imagining he had an ability he doesn't, because the entire time, Fuwa thought he was playing a real tennis match.
It's just that for one assumption, we can take things as they are from the manga. For another assumption, we takes things from the manga and add another assumption to it to make an assumption. It makes the first assumption more support in my opinion.
Alright, so explain to me why there's a black coloured panel during the match. Did Konomi just feel like doing something different there?
Unfortunately it's not a black background. I guess it's not quite yips then, but it probably also means something... I wonder what it could be...
Black is associate with Yips, as shown all the way from first time it was use, anyways. Konomi can draw black panel in Yukimura match because he wants the feelings to be that way. Mangaka do this all the time.
There is also time skip between page 2-3 for sure, because there's no way that "Yukimura" could have fall down without falling motion. To Fuwa, at least, I think it look like he think he manage to reflect Yips, play the rest of the match with Yukimura on the floor. And page 2 and page that Fuwa fall down? There's clearly at least some time skip there.
Oh, and on the 1st point between Fuwa and Yukimura, it look to me more like Yukimura was tripping in a different direction that Fuwa hit the ball to. I don't think it's a backhand.
Last edited by -Ken-; February 25, 2013 at 08:43 PM.
It's perfectly fine for Fuwa to imagine he has techs he doesn't have. I mean it's a dream after all. What is not fine is how does he happen to know what tech Yukimura has in his dream? If he imagined that he had Mirror Eyes, that implies Yukimura did not use his regular yips (because he wouldn't be able to reflect it to begin with if he dreamed up his Mirror Eyes). Okay so maybe Yukimura had a hunch that yips wasn't going to work on this guy and just use the upgraded version, but that still doesn't explain why Fuwa in his dream would imagine he has an ability to counter an ability he has never seen before.
I propose Nanjiroh. He does have a singles match, against number 1 player in America. Put him in SSS tier . Byoudonin also have his match now with Oni, right?
I don't recall if his match is on internet or not, probably is. I read my PoT first time from the manga volume I brought.
Also, I think Yagyuu/Niou is overrated. How high is Yagyuu? The highest that we confirmed from him is the a little higher from NoIllusion! Niou. How high is NoIllusion! Niou? He got moped by Fuji 3-0, and there's nothing that suggests he will get a single points without Illusion.
Yes, syncho is syncho. But Yagyuu is really not that high up the tier list anymore. I don't even see Yagyuu higher than Mutsu.
Last edited by -Ken-; February 26, 2013 at 10:51 PM.
I'm talking about when they're fighting against other pair in general that doesn't have syncho. Yagyuu/Yagyuu is 2 (high) mid tier players. They'll probably be stronger than Golden Pair. But well, I knows some people consider Yagyuu to be high tier, but I don't see enough that points toward that for me.
Last edited by -Ken-; February 27, 2013 at 12:56 AM.
Kaidoh's only attack to put him up there is that he has Tornado + Gyro Laser.
Yagyuu has Laserbeam and Curving Laser.
You seem to fail to understand that even if Gyro Laser is a better shot than Laserbbeam, Curving Laser is either harder to return or just as hard.
Gyro Laser is a ball that moves in one linear direction.
Curving Laser violently curves to the opposite side of the court. with a fast swing reaction you could catch Gyro Laser.
But with Curving Laser you would suddenly have to sprint to the other side of the court.
You can't read either Gyro Laser or Curving Laser so Kaidoh and Yagyuu are absolutely equal.
So if you don't rate Yagyuu highly then you must not rate Kaidoh highly its that simple.