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Singles Tier List
Only characters that had at least one match (or currently have one) are to be ranked. For Doubles, only players that played together before may be ranked.
Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.
Last edited by Kaoz; June 18, 2014 at 02:20 AM.
But his stats are just better than Kai.
I mean, Kai's stat total is worse than Chinen's. Kai is VH and nothing else.
There's no way that Kai is still the clear-cut 2nd in Higa anymore. He and Hirakoba have to be equal at the minimum.
Same with Jirou and Yushi.
Like, before Konomi put this stuff in his Pair Puri's, people didn't even question who was the No.2 of Hyotei and Higa.
When you look at the info on characters by Konomi, the storyline and ignore the PP's, you couldn't come to the conclusion of Kai/Jirou being No.2's in their school.
I say Yushi and Hirakoba have to be No.2 or equal to Jirou and Kai respectively.
Although it can be argued that he was finishing the match in the panel that we saw him.
Momoshiro/Kaidoh is a significantly better pair than Momoshiro/Kenya.
Momoshiro/Kikumaru and Momoshiro/Echizen would even be a B Tier pair lol.
With Jirou... it could be said the same, except that this isn't as unbalanced as the other comparision. Jirou was still the no.2 after the tie break matches, and Yuushi doesn't have a spammable special move that could make him a way better player (like Hirakoba has). He only has 1 more point in tech compared to Jirou, and I guess that his wrists are enough to balance it.
In any case, even if Hirakoba > Kai or Yuushi > Jirou, there isn't anything that makes any of them 1 entire tier above the other.
And yes, I believe that Momo/anything he paired before is better than Momo/Kenya.
There's not much of a reason beyond both of the pairs being part of the 11-20. Date certainly seems to be a level above Taira and Hara, but with Ban it's not so clear cut. I wasn't really sure about this one to be honest.
We don't know what happened after the BJK, and as you pointed out some time ago, Momoshiro still got additional injuries afterwards, implying that it was a close match. If the match report reveals something new, then a tier difference might very well be debatable, but for now I don't think it's warranted.
This is also assuming that Kimijima's stats are real and that they aren't just about his negotiation skills? One could say that the reason he was going 60% because his negotiation with Marui still hadn't gone through.
I don't see how if Taira/Hara can't beat BJK how they can stand up to Winter of Danji's on repeat. I see Date slaying them and Ban being more or less okay. He has a higher stat total and tanked a 25th Degree Hadoukyuu with a grin.
We gathered it had to have been Hara who did that since Hara is the one who does smashes aimed at the body.
I mean, for Momo/Kenya to come out on top, it must have been ALL Momo no? Since Kenya showed no ability that could let him win a point in that match.
Last edited by Airgrimes; November 13, 2013 at 11:28 AM.
That's fair enough for Date/Ban. I don't feel like they should be in the same tier as the G10 pairs though. On the other hand, I feel like Taira/Hara should be above the pairs in C Tier, so should we make another tier for Date/Ban? If so, would they be the only pair in there? Or could that be a good place for say, Kite/Marui as well?
And also Kenya probably didn't stand around he probably ran around hitting a shot that goes beyond Momoshiro just like he was doing when they first got stunned by Bakyuun. At most. His stats, just like Momoshiro's stats, tell me that Taira/Hara outplayed them but the moment Momo touched the ball he spammed BJK and its almost certain that they didn't win the entire set, Momo/Kenya probably won by 3-5 but Taira/Hara forfeited due to the pain of BJK.
Personally I think his effectiveness isn't far from nothing. In fact, all Taira has to do is spam Bakyuun so that Kenya remains out of the match.
Kite/Marui and Date/Ban should be in their own tier. Ban more or less solo'd Kawamura/Kabaji all the way to match point as Date appeared for about 3-4 points like you said.
So they are a seriously strong pair.
Since in all seriousness they would slaughter the pairs below them imo.
Mutsu/Mutsu can Synchro, so doesn' that mean they can overcome the Kite/Marui Ohabu+WC combo?
Since they can spread out on the court and share the vision on where the Ohabu is going? Drawing at straws there.
And I'm not convinced though. Tohno hadn't completed his EM Countdown and Kimijima was below 60%.
Kimijima's stats are most likely real to his ability though.
Look at how he played against Marui/Kite without ever going above 60%, he took a surprise Ohabu to the face and didn't even flinch or freaking blink.
Whilst Marui took a surprise Ohabu and fell on the floor like a bitch. Kimijima's Power has to be higher than Marui's. Kimijima's 4 is real. Marui's 2 is real.
It should work, they share senses. So, if the Ohabu is hit to the right side of the court that means that the player in the right side can't see it, but the player on the left is still watching the course. There's no need to do any moves nor anything, so it shouldn't waste stamina.
If he hits it in the middle and both players can see it, they'll have to move yes, just like any other shot that goes to the middle. The thing is, the Ohabu's entire course will be seen, so it shouldn't be that hard to return.
Now, let's make a what if scenario where Kite hits a Habu perfectly in the middle and both his opponents are in a perfect line in the middle (some kind of australian formation but badly done), to make Ohabu as good as against Tohno/Kimijima. Seriously, how often could that happen, lol.
But then they have to move back to the outside to see the next one, and then back to the middle to hit it again and so on. Surely that would drain their stamina more quickly than normal.
And what. Kimijima and Tohno each were on their side, just not super far on the outside.
---------- Post added November 23, 2013 at 09:05 AM ---------- Previous post was November 19, 2013 at 08:05 PM ----------
Updated list. floman is so far the only one who has suggested positions for the untiered pairs (unless Hardy's opinions haven't changed at all from back when he made his list?):
A few comments from my side:
1. Kirihara cannot use AM/SDM when paired with Yanagi.
2. I don't see them losing to the majority of the pairs you have in D- either way.
I think Tezuka/Inui and Sanada/Yanagi could fit nicely into the new B Tier as well, maybe even A. Kind of depends on how great of a liability Inui and Yanagi are. Still haven't formed much of an opinion on the rest.
Also, I didn't intend to give WoK two entries on the final list if that wasn't clear, so some discussion on whether we should tier them with or without MnS would be nice.
I can see Tezuka/Inui in A. PoP Kintarou takes a game off PoP Oni. (winning 1 out of 2 game is decent enough) From what we've seen, Tanegashima alone solo Sanada/Akutsu. PoP Oni should be above Kishin Oni and it's not even confirm that Tangegashima was even with Kishin form or Oni sealed form. I don't think PoP Tezuka is much weaker than Kintarou, if at all weaker. I'll say there's enough benefits of doubt to say Tezuka can do something similar as well.
I'll say Sanada/Yanagi is B rank, though. Can't believe I'm saying it, but Sanada isn't as strong as Tezuka right now, in my opinion.
And I would tier WoK without MnS for now. They haven't perfect it yet last time we saw them in a match.
Last edited by -Ken-; November 23, 2013 at 04:50 AM.
Well, the main issue in Tezuka's case is that Inui still has to touch the ball once in half the points, and Inui most certainly isn't anywhere near G10 level.
Also, I just noticed that I completely forgot about Yanagi/Inui - do we want to tier them as well?
Yeah, I want to tier those two. I'm thinking C for now.
For Tezuka/Inui, I think Inui can definitely get enough data not to be a liability. He did beat #17, when all the data and plot is involve.