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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    In my opinion, I don't think Sasuke will ever, ever, pass Itachi in any shape or form, maybe except ninjutsu and living longer. Sasuke's a genius, yeah, but he's nowhere near Itachi's level and will never be. Itachi was brilliant, and he's been praised and complimented so much in ways that Sasuke hasn't been. Plus, Orochimaru wouldn't have bothered with Sasuke if Itachi didn't resist him.

    I mean, despite being sick and going easy on Sasuke, he still was on par with him. We never saw Itachi fought seriously... he took out Kakashi fairly quickly. It took Sasuke a lot to beat Deidara, and it took Itachi few minutes to do it, without even tiring. Itachi was shown to be fast; even Sasuke and Kakashi couldn't keep up with his handseals. Itachi's taijutsu looked pretty good as well.

    I wonder how far Itachi would have gone if he was still alive. He's definitely IMO better than Sasuke and Kakashi, maybe even Jiraiya himself.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    Man, I think Sasuke will definitely surpass Itachi....in everything. That's what Naruto and Sasuke do. They take everything further. Sasuke learned Raikiri from Kakashi and ended up using Kirin, he beat oro at his own game, and he's already done stuff with Susanoo that we hadn't seen before and the commentary at the Kage brawl confirmed that shape manipulating Amaterasu was beyond Itachi. Likewise, Naruto going from rasengan to frs to ffrs, then the better sage mode than Jaraiya and ultimately his version of a perfect Jin will eclipse Bee.

    I think the only reason that Kishi threw in the genjutsu weakness before was because it would have been just silly for Sasuke to have the ability to one-shot almost everyone and not do it. Now that he has Itachi's eyes, I kind of expect that weakness to go away. I bet he'll be doing stuff like using enton to make a giant eye and catching multiple people in Tsukuyomi at once or something like that. I mean really, in retrospect, I don't see any way he could have broken Itachi's Tsukuyomy if his own genjutsu power was so feckless.

    It's going to be interesting to see what kind of powers he'll be using in his next battle and it will be equally interesting to see what abilities he'll be fighting against. LOL, before he got the eyes, you sort of needed to be able to move at near supersonic speeds, teleport, or have multiple lives to make it a fight. Now people might really need to have a set of dragonballs.
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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    Hmm, to be honest, I miss Part I, where Itachi had Mangekyo, and everything wasn't about Kamehameha and Big Bang. T_T Sasuke may be better than Itachi in some things but overall, he can't possibly surpass Itachi. Itachi was well rounded as well, but he took his abilities further. Sharingan on constantly, speed was uncatchable or nearly uncatchable, ability to use genjutsu by just using finger... he even took out Uchiha and didn't go as blind even in seven years as Sasuke did in like a week using Mangekyo. :\

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Hmm, to be honest, I miss Part I, where Itachi had Mangekyo, and everything wasn't about Kamehameha and Big Bang. T_T Sasuke may be better than Itachi in some things but overall, he can't possibly surpass Itachi. Itachi was well rounded as well, but he took his abilities further. Sharingan on constantly, speed was uncatchable or nearly uncatchable, ability to use genjutsu by just using finger... he even took out Uchiha and didn't go as blind even in seven years as Sasuke did in like a week using Mangekyo. :\
    I agree with you but in retrospect sauske spammed he's eyes a lot as soon as he got them causing the increased deterioration of he's eyes of a short period of time.Sauske well surpass Itachi since the manga is about the next generation surpassing the previous one.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    Exactly. Itachi never needed to spam his eyes like that; he still counted on his non-MS skills to fight. Sasuke used MS in all of his fights since he got it. Though to be fair, for all we know, Itachi could have done the same, but he didn't go blind quickly. This is why in my opinion Itachi is better.
    And both ITachi and Sasuke are of same generation, they're siblings. Despite what Sasuke does though, I don't think he'll ever pass Itachi or achieve what Itachi did.

    This could just be the fanboy in me talking though.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    Sasuke did spam a lot. But still, his eyes were getting into very bad shape at an amazing speed. Kishi hasn't said why, but I was thinking it was along the lines of the stars that burn brightest burn shortest. After he awakened those powers, they became a huge part of his fighting style, but he used them in only four fights each, that we saw anyway. I don't think he used amaterasu against Kakashi because he's still alive and I don't see Kakashi, as much as I respect his ninja cred, avoiding that. He really pushed it, but that still seems to me to be an unreasonably quick descent into darkness.

    Or maybe he wasn't at the end of his rope yet and just decided he needed to finally power up so he could cleanly crush his ex friends the next time he sees them whether he's tired or not. Though it did really look like his eyes were shot.
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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    He used Amaterasu and possibly Tsukuyomi against Killerbee. He then killed Amaterasu twice, on Karin and on Killerbee. At Kage Summit, he used Susano'o at least three times, Amaterasu at least twice, and maybe Tsukuyomi once. Against Danzou, Susano'o twice at the least, Amaterasu once, and TSukuyomi once. Against Kakashi, Susano'o once, maybe twice. He really did abuse his Mangekyo Sharingan.

    Itachi never went overboard like that. O_o He could have used Susano'o against Jiraiya, Kakashi, Asuma, and Kurenai but never did. He could also have taken at least Asuma and Kurenai out with Amaterasu.

    Over 7 years of having MS, Itachi's eyesight were pretty horrible, but Sasuke's was pretty close after about a week of having MS. It just shows that Sasuke can't fight without his MS anymore, which sucks because he really is a genius. I enjoyed many of his fights, and it'd suck to see people thinking MS is the reason why he's even good.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    Yeah, I agree, he did use that stuff a bunch during the fights. Heck, Madara probably wanted him to go blind in a hurry and even he warned him about how much he was abusing it. I was just talking about the number of fights he pulled them out. He went crazy with it when he used it. But he used amaterasu with Bee, the Kages, and Danzou ; then Susanoo with the Kages, Danzou, and Kakashi......I feel like I'm forgetting something.....

    So he used the crap out of them when he used them, but he used them in such a small number of battles. It was just so fast that he went from awakening the powers to being near blind. It's like, even if he had used them sparingly, his eyes would have only held up a few months.

    And I think he used tsukuyomi on Bee too but I don't count tsukuyomi because there are so many people that believe he's never used it and I can't really prove that he did beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    He used Tsukuyomi at least twice. Once against Killerbee and once against Danzou. While it may not Tsukuyomi, let's call it that out of lack of better words for you and laziness for me. :P
    His eyes would have lasted for at least a year if he used it sparingly. But once again, I'm using Itachi as an example, which may not be accurate as we saw him use Mangekyo in every battle he HIMSELF has been in. Which granted, is two to three, but still. He used Tsukuyomi against Kakashi and Sasuke, Sasuke twice in the flashback, Amaterasu against Jiraiya, then both and Susano'o in his final battle against Sasuke. And that's not even counting when he massacred the Uchiha.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    To be fair, Sasuke did try to fight without using his MS. He didn't use it until he had no other choice. It's unlikely that Itachi was involved in many fights with ninjas that were stronger then him, So no reason to burn out his MS like Sasuke had to do.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    The difference between Itachi and Sasuke is that Itachi was and still is far superior to Sasuke with his basic ninja skills. This is why Itachi didn't even have to use MS in most his battles (most likely). Itachi was so efficient with his speed, taijutsu, basic sharingan and genjutsu skills and let's not forget deadly fast and dangerous ninjutsu that most of his opponents most likely didn't even have time to react. Look at his first encounter with Kakashi, had Kakashi not have had sharingan and been so good with it as complimented by Itachi himself, he'd be dead. And Kakashi is a kage level ninja with incredible experience and speed. Sasuke's basic skills while being amazing, are still inferior to Itachi's. Itachi was faster, better at taijutsu, superior with normal genjutsu, and well almost perfect in everything.

    Neither Naruto nor Sasuke have the basic skills to fight kage level opponents at this stage. This is why Naruto received Sage Mode and Sasuke got MS. Without them they get heavily nerfed. Well not Naruto as he now has the Kyuubi's chakra. Naruto did take out Tendo Path without Sage Mode, so kudos for that. I still thought Pain was a moron in that fight so let's ignore it.

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    He used Tsukuyomi at least twice.
    This is debatable. I won't say that he has used Tsukuyomi until I see him thinking or saying out loud "TSUKUYOMI!!" when using it, or saying that he has it or has used it. Nothing really confirms that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. What Itachi transferred to Sasuke was simply an Amaterasu trap like written down in the databook. It was called Tensha Fuuin-Amaterasu. If Sasuke suddenly has more than three MS techniques, it means that this fact by Kishi was false and the translation by Madara of "Itachi transferring all his eye techniques" were correct. MS only brings with it three techniques, and Sasuke has Amaterasu, Enton (manipulation skills for Amaterasu) and Susano'o. Tsukuyomi would make it the fourth technique, so where's the 5th then? To be seen in his next fight aswell as EMS skill(s)? What I'm saying is that Sasuke using Tsukuyomi hasn't been confirmed at all, it's just fan speculation. However now that I think about it, Sasuke will most likely receive Tsukuyomi now anyway as he took Itachi's eyes. This can mean that he gains a fourth MS technique (Tsukuyomi) as that's the only technique he's lacking from Itachi's arsenal, plus all of Itachi's ocular powers aswell as additional EMS skill(s).
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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.11

    do you guys think Madara has a Rinnegan in his left eye and that's the reason why he covers his face with mask because if you remember back when Madara talked in the meeting with the Kages he said about an ancient stone and in order to decode this stone you need Sharingan, Mangekyo Sharingan and Rinnegan and I dont Think Madara would trust anyone but himself so I dont think he took Pain with him to that stone.

    the second reason would be: Madara said to him self this is a good time to take out the Rinnegan and I am guessing he wasn't referring to take out Pain's eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.M.K View Post
    do you guys think Madara has a Rinnegan in his left eye and that's the reason why he covers his face with mask because if you remember back when Madara talked in the meeting with the Kages he said about an ancient stone and in order to decode this stone you need Sharingan, Mangekyo Sharingan and Rinnegan and I dont Think Madara would trust anyone but himself so I dont think he took Pain with him to that stone.

    the second reason would be: Madara said to him self this is a good time to take out the Rinnegan I dont think he was referring to taking Pain eyes.
    there has to be a more "distinct" reason why he wears the mask, why would he care to hide a Rinnegan?, especially now since everyone knew Pain had it and what it did (for the most part). Now you could be correct in a way that he has something special about his right eye or doesn't have a right eye at all (obito = madara *cough*, but there's more then him just having Nagato's eye there...it has to do with who he "really" is (hehe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3cmm View Post
    This is debatable. I won't say that he has used Tsukuyomi until I see him thinking or saying out loud "TSUKUYOMI!!" when using it, or saying that he has it or has used it. Nothing really confirms that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. What Itachi transferred to Sasuke was simply an Amaterasu trap like written down in the databook. It was called Tensha Fuuin-Amaterasu. If Sasuke suddenly has more than three MS techniques, it means that this fact by Kishi was false and the translation by Madara of "Itachi transferring all his eye techniques" were correct. MS only brings with it three techniques, and Sasuke has Amaterasu, Enton (manipulation skills for Amaterasu) and Susano'o. Tsukuyomi would make it the fourth technique, so where's the 5th then? To be seen in his next fight aswell as EMS skill(s)? What I'm saying is that Sasuke using Tsukuyomi hasn't been confirmed at all, it's just fan speculation. However now that I think about it, Sasuke will most likely receive Tsukuyomi now anyway as he took Itachi's eyes. This can mean that he gains a fourth MS technique (Tsukuyomi) as that's the only technique he's lacking from Itachi's arsenal, plus all of Itachi's ocular powers aswell as additional EMS skill(s).
    It's not confirmed but it's highly likely. There would be no reason for Danzo to compare the strength of Sasuke's illusion to Itachi and remark on his inability to control time if it was just a normal genjutsu. That would only make sense if Sasuke too had used Tsukuyomi, Because then there would be a place for such comparisons. I also doubt that Enton is a separate MS ability. That would make no sense, Since using it would rely on Sasuke using Amaterasu. While we only have Itachi to compare to, Each of his MS techniques doesn’t require the aid of another. It’s more likely that as Itachi has the ability to control time in his Tsukuyomi, Sasuke has the ability to manipulate Amaterasu. It’s been implied that the MS does gain the same techniques, With Madara planning on using Tsukuyomi and his comment about how rare it is to gain Susanoo. That means that Itachi wasn’t the only person with those techniques.

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