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Thread: Question about part one Naruto and Jiraiya and Itachi

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    Question about part one Naruto and Jiraiya and Itachi

    Remember right afrer itachi and kisame visited konoha?

    when itachi and kisame both recognized jaraiya and that he was escorting or guarding naruto

    they both seemed cautious and kisame admited he couldnt beat him and itachi said they would both wind up.dead if he fought jaraiya

    do you guys think itachi and kisame were being modest or actually worried about losing to jaraiya?

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Who knows. If you expect to have an objective answer to this kind of question , then forget it...

    Just take it as it is.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    If we take Part I alone, then there's a good chance they were serious. If we take Part II as well, then the chances are that they were either lying or it was only Kisame who thought he'd lose to Jiraiya. Note that when they were running away, Kisame said Itachi could have beaten Jiraiya. A lot of people tend to overlook or ignore this statement for some reason, but even in Part I Kisame thought Itachi could take on Jiraiya, even if he himself couldn't .

    Based on what we saw in Part II though, there's no reason to believe Itachi would have lost to Jiraiya. Kisame might also be able to beat Jiraiya because Jiraiya is a ninjutsu user, and Kisame absorbs chakra from ninjutsu.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    If we take Part I alone, then there's a good chance they were serious. If we take Part II as well, then the chances are that they were either lying or it was only Kisame who thought he'd lose to Jiraiya. Note that when they were running away, Kisame said Itachi could have beaten Jiraiya. A lot of people tend to overlook or ignore this statement for some reason, but even in Part I Kisame thought Itachi could take on Jiraiya, even if he himself couldn't .
    He never truly said that. Just that he could fight him.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Kisame said Itachi could have taken Jiraiya on, meaning he had a chance of winning. I still recall Kisame implied Itachi would have won, but at the very least he said Itachi would be able to stand toe-to-toe with Jiraiya.

    But include Part II in this, and Itachi most likely would win.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Hard to tell since we didnt get as good a demonstration of Jiraya's strength as we did of Itachi and Kisame, but at least for a fact we can say that Kisame didnt want to fight J-man, and since Itachi was probably Jiraya's spy he'd look for any excuse not to fight him.





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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    First of all Itachi would have to use MS if he wanted to win against jaraiya, even if he won he would have be blind, secondly We saw what happened to one of Pain's body when he absorbed Naruto's sage energy ... If I had to pick someone to counter Kisame's abilities it would be Jaraiya, a frog user with frog summons...

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Kisame asked that why is a retreat necessary for him. It's obvious that Kisame thought that Itachi could take Jiraiya out even at that time.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    i believe jaraiya in sage mode would have a shot at either one of them

    without sage mode kisame eats up his chaakra and takes him out

    with sage mode itachi or kisame could still take him but the fight would obviously be much different

    its also possible that itachi wasnt as strong then as he was in part two

    same goes for kisame

    they could have both just been going off of legend and rumors, not.having seen jaraiya in action

    in a fight i give either of them the edge against j-man

    with itacho having slightly more edge

    but jaraiya is somewhat underrated on here

    we must remember how strong he is

    if he played his cards right he may evwn be able to beat itachi

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisame Hoshigaki View Post
    i believe jaraiya in sage mode would have a shot at either one of them

    without sage mode kisame eats up his chaakra and takes him out

    with sage mode itachi or kisame could still take him but the fight would obviously be much different

    its also possible that itachi wasnt as strong then as he was in part two

    same goes for kisame

    they could have both just been going off of legend and rumors, not.having seen jaraiya in action

    in a fight i give either of them the edge against j-man

    with itacho having slightly more edge

    but jaraiya is somewhat underrated on here

    we must remember how strong he is

    if he played his cards right he may evwn be able to beat itachi
    One can only speculate. But if we believe that Naruto couldn't beat Itachi, then Jiraiya certainly couldn't as well. .

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    Kisame asked that why is a retreat necessary for him. It's obvious that Kisame thought that Itachi could take Jiraiya out even at that time.
    No. It just means that the word ''retreat'' isn't itachi's cup of tea.

    But I think itachi clearly admitted that he's low in chakra at that time. He already used his tsukuyomi to kakashi, and he shouldn't used that amaterasu either. So either way, itachi has no chance to defeat jiraiya at that time. And itachi knows that. Fighting a sage mode sannin is just a suicide for him who already used too much chakra.

    But still, I do agree that itachi can defeat jiraiya, but it goes the same to jiraiya.

    Hermit mode jiraiya is one of the dangerous ninja in naruto, from my POV. Their combination attack and genjutsu are far too great.
    No matter how POWERFUL/STRONG you are. If you cannot CATCH your Enemy, all your POWER/STRENGTH is no more useful then a squirt gun. And if you cannot possibly TRACK/REACT to your enemies attacks to defend yourself, then how can you possibly stop him from DEFEATING you at will?

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    No. It just means that the word ''retreat'' isn't itachi's cup of tea.

    But I think itachi clearly admitted that he's low in chakra at that time. He already used his tsukuyomi to kakashi, and he shouldn't used that amaterasu either. So either way, itachi has no chance to defeat jiraiya at that time. And itachi knows that. Fighting a sage mode sannin is just a suicide for him who already used too much chakra.
    That's not the point. Itachi HAD to retreat while Kisame thought that Itachi could defeat him, regardless of what state he was in because Kisame probably didn't know how much Itachi was hurting. Also, Itachi was forced to use Amaterasu. He wouldn't if he had any other choice.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    That's not the point. Itachi HAD to retreat while Kisame thought that Itachi could defeat him, regardless of what state he was in because Kisame probably didn't know how much Itachi was hurting. Also, Itachi was forced to use Amaterasu. He wouldn't if he had any other choice.
    Does kisame already stated that their caliber or title pale in comparison to jiraiya? And he even said that jiraiya is on different league over to them.

    Kisame : even if you might be able to take him on.

    It seems to me that kisame is just assuming that itachi can defeat jiraiya.
    No matter how POWERFUL/STRONG you are. If you cannot CATCH your Enemy, all your POWER/STRENGTH is no more useful then a squirt gun. And if you cannot possibly TRACK/REACT to your enemies attacks to defend yourself, then how can you possibly stop him from DEFEATING you at will?

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

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    itachi said they would both wind up.dead if he fought jaraiya
    First of all way to put words in itachi's mouth. He never uttered those words. He was just being cautious and righfully so. It wasn't urgent that he and Kisame had to take naruto. Furthermore, he'd already used his MS on kakashi and sasuke. He was probably drained and exhausted.

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    Re: question about part one naruto and jaraiya and itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabman View Post
    First of all way to put words in itachi's mouth. He never uttered those words. He was just being cautious and righfully so. It wasn't urgent that he and Kisame had to take naruto. Furthermore, he'd already used his MS on kakashi and sasuke. He was probably drained and exhausted.
    Hmmm...He did say that. Why not check Otomo20's post up there before going on like that >_>

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