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    Who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    Hey everyone, I was wondering about Sasuke's role within Akatsuki. Remember when he fought Bee he clearly said he's not just a pawn http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/05/

    This gives the impression that Sasuke has got some hidden agenda. IMO one of the reasons he joined Akatsuki is to observe Madara, to get some insight in Madara's powers, personality, jutsu and whatnot. Madara is the one who assisted in killing the members of his clan, so Sasuke must be looking for a chance to kill Madara, but that won't be easy. Remember this scene http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/12/
    I know Suigetsu isn't the strongest ninja out there, but still Sasuke seemed a little shocked that he was easily able to stop him with one hand. Plus, Sasuke has witnessed Madara using his space-time jutsu, which seems hard to fight or counter. This could mean that Sasuke is being cautious and actually using his brain besides his emotions, and that he is planning something secretly, in order to kill Madara. To me it's pretty clear that killing Madara is one of Sasuke's goals (along with obliterating Konoha of course + elders, which I think is just plain stupid). But we all know Sasuke takes revenge VERY SERIOUSLY

    On the other hand, Madara surely must be aware of Sasuke intent to kill him. I doubt he thinks Sasuke is loyal to akatsuki in any way. I guess Madara needs Sasuke right now, as most of the akatsuki members are dead and that whole gedo mazo thing (can't remember which chapter), or maybe he needs him for some other reason (to complete his eye of the moon plan perhaps?)
    Obviously Madara and Sasuke don't trust each other imo, yet they are both in the same organization, but with different goals. So, who is using who exactly? Is Madara taking advantage of an emotional Sasuke who can't think straight because he's still struck by grief and pain? It looks like Madara [U]wants[U] Sasuke to be full of hatred. When Sasuke broke Danzou's seal, Madara commented "oh good, his hatred is growing" http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/08-09/ Or will Sasuke be able to outsmart Madara and kill him?

    What do you guys think?

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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    They're both using each other. Sasuke's doing the same thing he did with Orochimaru, Hanging with someone who's attempting to use him for their own goal til the right time comes for him to get rid of them. The moment Sasuke believes he can kill Madara, That's when he'll strike. But in the meantime, Sasuke will let Madara lead to make things easier.

    On the other hand, Madara's only gonna keep Sasuke around til he gets what he wants. There's noway he'll let someone as strong as Sasuke stick around once he rules the world, Especially with Sasuke's record of breaking genjutsus.

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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    if madara wasn't afraid of itachi why sasuke?sasuke has shown yeah he can plan but he always underestimates opponents.think how many times he would have bitten it if it weren't for taka.

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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    @gnut: Madara did mention that Itachi could trouble his plans, which he confrided in Zetsu.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/16/

    Sasuke has the upper hand right now. If you look back to the latest team 7 reunion. Sasuke simply watches Narutos image fade away as he's teleported by Madara showing his focus. Just before he demands Madara teach him EMS, saying it's for overwhelming power which is exactly what Madara wants to hear.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/487/05/

    My only worry for Sasuke is Kabutomaru who Kishi has handily penciled in as Madaras plan B if Sasuke goes AWOL
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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    Madara is the pupette in this case from from the beginning sasuke was his pawn look how easily he sold him like a piece of trash to kabuto
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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    There's no way Madara plans on giving Sasuke up to Kabuto. Madara only agreed with Kabuto because of his blackmail, But Madara's gonna have to get rid of Kabuto eventually.

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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    Madara would never give Sasuke to Kabuto for small possibility that Kabuto would succeed where Orochimaru failed and get Sasuke's body. If that happened, Madara and the rest of the world would be fucked.

    Madara will likely look to get rid of Sasuke as fast as possible before Sasuke can get rid of him.
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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    On the other hand, Madara's only gonna keep Sasuke around til he gets what he wants. There's noway he'll let someone as strong as Sasuke stick around once he rules the world, Especially with Sasuke's record of breaking genjutsus.
    Sasuke has no real record of breaking genjutsu. The genjutsu madara is supposed to be the strongest Tsukyimo ever created, even stronger then the master of genjutsu Uchiha Itachi. It is also been explained that sasuke never broke or saw through Itachi his genjutsu. so what record does sasuke have of seeing through genjutsu besides the one oro used on him?
    Sasuke his speciality is nin-jutsu not genjutsu so madara doesn't need to be concerned about sasuke breaking the ultimate TS.

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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    When was it explained that Sasuke didn't break through Itachi's Tsukuyomi? Considering it was shown and commented on by Zetsu what Sasuke did. Anyway, Sasuke also got through Shi's genjutsu and Orochimaru's technique which is similar.

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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    Right now, I give the edge to Madara. Before Sasuke got his brother's eyes, he was going to need to get those from Madara but he doesn't really need anything else from him. I believe that Madara confessing to helping slaughter his clan, however, is the incentive that Sasuke has to stick around and put up with Madara's games until he can find a way to kill him. Besides that motivation he would just be focused on destroying Konoha so he would probably just bail on him after he gets his bandages off, but he won't, 'cause he's gotta kill him too.
    So Sasuke's playing along with all of Madara's silliness but they both know that as soon as Sasuke figures out how to end him, he'll do it immediately.
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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    you guys don't believe madara was thinking that when he told sasuke what he did?like i said if he was working with itachi all these years,he's not intimidated by sasuke..don't get me wrong i like sasuke and naruto both,great characters.but,sasuke is a little hot-headed,he just might have made a deal with the devil.

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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    You mean the same deal he made with Oro? What? teach me, train me, then i kill you? Sasuke has just became the strongest Uchiha. Sasuke will eventually turn on Madara.

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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    Tobi has getting Sasuke to do what he wants down to a science at this point.

    I'm sure Sasuke thinks he is using Tobi but he tends to have tunnel vision when it comes to revenge. Tobi just points the way and says "Revenge... that way!" and Sasuke goes running like an obedient little murderous puppy dog.

    If it ever came down to Tobi wanting Sasuke dead i don't think he would have much trouble getting it done. He has more knowledge of the Sharingan than anybody. Sasuke on the other hand knows absolutely nothing about how Tobi does what he does. Sasuke's strong but far from unkillable. Tobi is seemingly immortal. So i give the advantage to Tobi.
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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    There's a difference between Orochimaru and Tobi, Orochimaru left many openings, Sasuke knew when he would be weaker, so he knew the precise moment to attack Orochimaru, before Orochimaru were capable of taking control over him.

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    Madara in the other hand don't have any other weakness besides having to materialize in order to attack his opponent and it doesn't look like he is leaving any opening for Sasuke to attack, that's the difference between Sasuke and Orochimaru.

    Is clear that Madara is using Sasuke, while Sasuke thinks that he us using Akatsuki, what have Akatsuki done for Sasuke?

    1. Madara wanted Sasuke to kill the kages, and Sasuke went there with that purpose.
    2. Madara wanted Sasuke to go and capture Kirabi for him, and Sasuke just went the attending Madara's request, under the promise of sharing the power of a bijuu with him.
    So... Sasuke could look as cool as he want to look saying that he is the one using Akatsuki, but is clear who is the devil here. I don't think for a single second, that Madara didn't knew that Sasuke would fall if he gave him the appropriate story.

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    Re: who is using who? Sasuke & Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Alterno View Post
    Is clear that Madara is using Sasuke, while Sasuke thinks that he us using Akatsuki, what have Akatsuki done for Sasuke?
    1. Madara wanted Sasuke to kill the kages, and Sasuke went there with that purpose.
    2. Madara wanted Sasuke to go and capture Kirabi for him, and Sasuke just went the attending Madara's request, under the promise of sharing the power of a bijuu with him.
    So... Sasuke could look as cool as he want to look saying that he is the one using Akatsuki, but is clear who is the devil here. I don't think for a single second, that Madara didn't knew that Sasuke would fall if he gave him the appropriate story.
    1. Sasuke's reason for going after the kages were to awaken Susanoo and learn who Danzo was, Not just because Madara told him to go.
    2. Sasuke Acknowledged that Madara probably wouldn't give up the Hachibi.
    Anyway, Sasuke has proven that he's a great actor. He played along with Orochimaru til the chance came to get rid of him, So he's more then likely playing the same game with Madara. Madara may be unkillable as far as we know, But he's also admittedly weak. From what we've seen so far, There's no guarantee that he would be able to kill anyone at this moment.

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