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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Just curious, what do you think.
Personally I do not think there is not much difference in speed between them both and with kido as Byakuya's best offence Harribel takes this unreleased
Hah, nah j/k, but seriously I can't see anything Byakuya could do about attacks like Cascada or La Gota and I doubt bakuo would hold her for long. Not sure about Gokei but a simple cero or some water waves should be able to shot or wash it away.
Last edited by Evil3ye; August 23, 2010 at 05:41 PM. Reason: ;t
This is a tough one.... Before harribel releases the fight should be reasonably even. I would think harribel would have some more offensive power but byakuya makes up for that with versatility. Once harribel releases byakuya definitely has to go bankai. Byakuya has a no less than absurd number of petals, I don't think harribel's water can easily get past that, even with cascada. At this point byakuya would have to avoid a short range battle unless because IMO harribel would be more powerful in that department. Byakuya would have to use senkei to keep up with her in a short range battle. I don't think byakuya would be significantly slower than harribel or even at all. If hitsugaya was at least fast enough to keep his distance from her then I don't see how byakuya could have trouble in that department. Not sure how byakuya's attacks would affect harribel though, just petal could be deflected with a lot of water in the short range IMO. In that sense, I think there will be a sort of stalemate here. I'd think perhaps shukkei hakuteiken could pack enough power for him to break through harribels water attack and actually damage her considerably though.
I say Byakuya wins this one, and the only question I see here is what attack he'll use to finish her off. He's got a lot of kido to back him up, and with his bankai and speed, not to mention Yoruichi's shunpo techniques, it has to be Byakuya's win.
Sure, she looked really powerful while fighting Hitsugaya, but this is Hitsu we're talking about when doing a comparison. Byakuya wouldn't screw around, he'd go in for the kill.
Er, Hitsugaya is a lot stronger than Byakuya. People might hate that but the fact is that the latter hasn't shown anything close to the raw power of Tenso Jurin and Hyoten Hyakkaso. And that was a powered-down version Hitsu used. Byakuya is a finesse type, not a power type.
Still, I could see him beating Hallibel by outsmarting her rather than overpowering her. Going by what she showed, she wouldn't be able to get him with her water attacks. He could trap her with the Six Rods Light Prison and then bombard her with petals (rinse + repeat cause it wouldn't hold her for long), wearing her down gradually. Basically it all comes down to him evading her attacks and wearing her down. When she's sufficiently weakened he can finish her with White Imperial Sword - the only thing in his arsenal that could put her down for good I think.
EDIT: Guess I made this seem like an easy battle for Byakuya, but it isn't. It would be a long hard grind for him. The biggest problem for Hallibel is that I really can't see her getting in a good hit at all - if she did he would be in trouble. But she and Hitsu are around the same speed and Byakuya is faster than that, with some extra tricks to boot.
Last edited by Xerneas; June 26, 2010 at 06:46 PM.
Yeah I don't think there's that big of a difference between the level of Toushirou and the level of Byakuya. I think Toushirou was able to get the upper hand on Harribel because his abilities matched up well against hers. Byakua is the opposite, his petals would get washed away by all of the water.
I'll have to think more about this one, but it would definitely be close.
Senkei's practically worthless in this fight, using it is suicide. Especially because he doesn't use more than one or two blades at once by his own admission.
Offensively Byakuya's going to have a hard time getting enough petals to Halibel to do any damage when she washes them away, and defensively most of the water is not going to reach Byakuya to do any real damage. So pretty much it's going to be difficult for either to land an actual attack. But in terms of when that happens, Halibel probably wins out because her moves would do a lot more damage to him than his would to her if they actually connect.
Tricky overall regardless however. I'd probably give it to Halibel though, because this is going to be a long drawn out battle if both play it smart, and Halibel logically gets stronger the longer the battle goes on, having more and more water to use with each attack. Byakuya has a chance if he can nail her with the imperial sword tech of his, but the problem with that move is he forgoes defense of any kind, which is suicide quite honestly against her ranged and offensively overwhelming moves like Cascada, to say nothing of her spamming La Gota at him or just cutting him in half with her Cero slash thing.
Kido however might tip it in his favor regardless though, but whether or not he can nail her with it is pretty unclear. If he does Gokei with her bound down with the six pillars of light, while not defeating her, he might put things more in his favor. Close overall to say the least. I'd give it 60-40 to Halibel though, purely because time would be working more in her favor than Byakuya's.
Also I do doubt that his petal attacks could overcome Harribel's hierro, since all of Hitsugaya's bankai attacks also failed to. With his best bankai attack he could not kill Zommari, and Espada #3 shoulda been a little tougher, right?
I think you guys are underestimating Byakuya a little. He was able to match the fastest Espada and damage the strongest espada with his bankai.
- Byakuya could defend against Harribel's water attacks by using Danku or by using a shunpo technique.
- By using Senki he could gain the advantage and keep her on the defensive. She has no way to defend against a 1000 swords coming in all directions.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; June 27, 2010 at 01:44 PM.
I think the fight depends on the arsenal of Kido Byakuya has, because he wont be able to pass through Harribel's defences with just his Bankai.
Also, Byakuya has to finish this quickly, because otherwise Harribel will unleash her ultimate move by filling the atmosphere with moisture.
50/50 I guess
I think byakuya's petals would be a great way to defend from harribels water. The number he has of them is absurd and their speed is decent. Surely the volume of water harribel can use would be troublesome but it is also true the degree of control harribel has over her water is less than what byakuya has over his petals. I don't think any of the water techniques harribel used could actually get past byakuya's petals, at the very least her attacks would lose intensity as they come in contact with the blades. Of course, harribels water and the sheer volume of it would actually protect her from the blades.... I think there will be a stalemate here between harribel's water attacks not being able to get past byakuya's petals and harribels water keeping the petals at bay. I think this battle will ultimately be decided by a whatever strategy either of them uses to get past the others defense. Byakuya has a number of bankai forms, kido and decent shunpo but on the other hand harribel has great control over water, cero (both which are reasonably powerful and could make up for kido given their versatility) and hierro for further protection. If this is a battle of versatility then perhaps byakuya would have the edge though.
Secondly, Byakuya didnot use his bankai against Yammy, he attacked him only with kidou yet.
Then, it's doubtable if Danku could hold up a massive offensive attack. Personally I believe it is meant to hold up some special effects thingies like Amore, not powerful hits.
As for Sankai. Harribel took a sword slash from Aizen, you know, same guy who defeated all those captains, cut Komamura's bankai in two etc etc.. Why do you think some petals would be a big threat to her?
- Byakuya used bankai here: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/382/18-19/, http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/383/03/
- Harribel may of took a sword slash from Aizen, but I don't think he was trying. Ichigo, Komumura, and the other captains took a slash from Aizen.
- Byakuya's Senbonzakura Kageyoshi was able to damage Yammy, when he was in his strongest state. Senkei increases the amount of damage Byakuya's bankai can do tremendously.
First off Byakuya outright said using Senkei means not to use all the swords and instead they die by his own hands. Hence it's not going to be 1000 swords coming at her ever. Secondly, even if we assume he does break that vow, they're just floating swords. Kinda easy to just divert them away with massive water attacks frankly. Arguably even her Wave attack in her sealed state might do it too.Quote:
Uh, no he does not. Yoruichi outpaced him while weighted down, though admittedly she had to resort to more advanced moves to do so. Soifon was, if not outpacing her at the very least keeping up scott free. At no point is Byakuya even implied to have the fastest Shunpo.Quote:
Last edited by Random101; June 27, 2010 at 02:54 PM.