Wonderweiss and his worth in battle

[Darth Executor]

Personally I agree with Ozehro's post from above. I doubt Wonderweiss' scream got anything to do with Harribel breaking free from the ice,

lolwut? It's so obvious from the sequence of frames that his scream cracked the ice that I can't believe there's anyone left still peddling this crap.

[Evil3ye]

lolwut? It's so obvious from the sequence of frames that his scream cracked the ice that I can't believe there's anyone left still peddling this crap.

Oh? I must have missed it when NOBODY confirmed this. Anytime an ice user caught someone in his ice the opponent needed a certain time to break free. The powerful the attack the longer you need to break free. Logical?

Still I say Wonderweiss' scream was more like an wake up call than anything else, as stated by Starrk. Unless the datebook or something says the opposite.

[Darth Executor]

Oh? I must have missed it when NOBODY confirmed this.

There's an image of the sound breaking the ice. And we know his scream can cancel abilities. What else do you want?

[Evil3ye]

There's an image of the sound breaking the ice. And we know his scream can cancel abilities. What else do you want?

You did not just compare a cero to a bankai ice attack, did you?

Unlike ice attacks we've seen ceros being canceled by dozen different things. Wonderweiss is a modified arrancar, as y'all know. Modified to seal Ryuujin Jakka, this is his only feature, he was Not modified to cancel Hitsugaya's ice bankai, in fact he was Not modified to cancel any bankai or any ability apart from those of Genryuusai Yamamoto.

There is No such an evidence that he caused the ice to crack. End of discussion

[ryanzokuken]

he wasn't modified to have superior speed to Stark and be able to physically fight with Yama briefly, either, but he did.

i also feel that the sequence of frames and context of the chapter make it fairly obvious that WW cracked the ice, but whatever, that point is irrelevant as my general point in making this thread is not made or broken on that one instance.

perhaps the anime will make things clearer when this part comes along.

[Darth Executor]

You did not just compare a cero to a bankai ice attack, did you?

I said we know his scream can cancel abilities. You're right that he was modified to cancel yama's release, but the fact remains that he canceled a cero which as I'm sure you can figure out on your own eventually, is not yama's release. Ergo his scream is not just a scream, it has actual properties that have canceled a powerful ability.

There is No such an evidence that he caused the ice to crack. End of discussion

There is a picture of it happening. That is all the evidence any reasonable person should require. Everything else is just gravy.

[Evil3ye]

Ergo his scream is not just a scream, it has actual properties that have canceled a powerful ability.

How do you know it was due to his scream? You know, this reminds me actually more of that than anything else. And it's not like it Neliel canceled Nnoitra's cero because she was screaming..

And you should have notived that this scene shows Wonderweiss warding off the Mashiro's cero (it splits up in three directions), not really what one would call canceling an ability, it coulda been a cero Wonderweiss shot or god knows what..

But like I said, tomorrow's anime episode might clarify the one or the other thing, so..

[Arrogance]

Sorry Evil but I'm on the scream team . Everything I look at for me points to it being a scream that broke the ice and what he used to block the cero. Your right though that its isn't necessarily the ultimate cancellation ability but he was able to deflect the cero by screaming into it. And yes, I am hoping that tomorrows episode will settle the dispute once and for all.

[kkck]

I can't imagine WW's scream not having a purpose, it is senseless. The manga has made such a drama every time the kid screams its not even funny. This is probably the most dramatic one.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/364/09-10/
I don't think there should be any doubt that WW's screams have some sort of effect over other people's techniques, it is far too obvious it does. We could question the extent though.

[ryanzokuken]

How do you know it was due to his scream? You know, this reminds me actually more of that than anything else. And it's not like it Neliel canceled Nnoitra's cero because she was screaming..

And you should have notived that this scene shows Wonderweiss warding off the Mashiro's cero (it splits up in three directions), not really what one would call canceling an ability, it coulda been a cero Wonderweiss shot or god knows what..

But like I said, tomorrow's anime episode might clarify the one or the other thing, so..

Nel inhaled and swallowed Noitora's cero.

WW is obviously shouting and not inhaling. what else caused Mashiro's cero to dissipate?, if not the shockwave of the shout? some invisible laser vision that was never shown or explained? WW wasn't to the cero yet, so he didn't do it with his body. he burst it with the sound wave, it's obvious.

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There is No such an evidence that he caused the ice to crack. End of discussion

it's not the end of the discussion.
there is such evidence. it's the very pictures and writing drawn by Kubo.

Halibel is frozen in ice for several minutes without any sign of struggle or breaking free.

WW shows up and screams.

litterally THEE next panel on the page, we see the ice cracking and get the sound effect of the break, along with the "AAAAOOOOOHHHHH!!!!" of the scream.

that right there should be proof enough for anybody, unless they're a die hard Halibel fan who wants to believe she did it all on her own, and i'm sure there are plenty of those out there.

WW dissipating the cero with another shout is just further evidence that he has powerful sound wave screams.

EDIT: the anime episode is out now, and if that doesn't confirm it for them, then i just give up on educating the doubters.

[Darth Executor]

How do you know it was due to his scream?

Because it's in the picture.

Why the hell would he show the picture with the scream and the breaking ice if he did not want to make it as brain numbingly obvious as he could without saying it outright that the scream broke the ice?

And you should have notived that this scene shows Wonderweiss warding off the Mashiro's cero (it splits up in three directions), not really what one would call canceling an ability, it coulda been a cero Wonderweiss shot or god knows what..

That's ok, wonderweiss didn't cancel the ice either, he just broke it to pieces. Just like the cero.

But like I said, tomorrow's anime episode might clarify the one or the other thing, so..

Anime is the same as the manga: wonderweiss screams and the ice breaks.

[Evil3ye]

Because it's in the picture.

You were right and I was wrong, no need to get mad, okay?

As for the cero, we'll see soon enough, but it's probably the way you say it anyway ;D

Also, I was never doubting that Wonderweiss got some features and that he is strong, and surely not useless like some might think after him failing to kill Yamamoto (it was Commandant captain after all, huh).

Just saying that some scenes didn't make much sense either way you view it.

[Xsoteria]

Lol his scream in anime was kinda... Meh. I thought it will be something like a low rumble with strong shake to it. Though if you go by the whole high pitched voices breaking glass and all, it makes sense. It wasn't very cool though, IMO.

As per topic. Yeah I'd say he has quite a battle capability. Although I would like to see what happened with Kensei, who is my favorite vizard, and I just have trouble accepting he got beat off screen and wasn't even mentioned -_-

If we ever find out what happened there, we should have a better clue at WW's capabilities.