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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
guys guys guys!!!!!!!!!!!minato is no push over !!!!!!!!!so dont say that the other hokages should ve been present there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they had complete faith on minato !!!!!!!!nobody knew that madara would be still alive and everyone knows that there was no one except madara who could control the kyuubi !!!!!!!!!!its not easy to steal the kyuubi u know!!!!!!!!!!!
about how madara found out u ask hmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!
i ve a strong hunch that one of the village elders did leak out of the information as to the whereabouts of kushina!!!!!!!!!!!!!
madara found out a lot of things like the massacre of the uchiha which only the hokage and elders knew!!!!!!!!!!madara was there!!!!!!!!!!!!
and i dont think that the uchiha's would be ploting against konoha at this time!!!!!!!!!!!
the coup d'tat was formed after the kyuubi was released probably on the fact that the masked man had a sharingan!!!!!!people started suspecting the uchiha's and this suspicion along with madara's brainwashing might have led to the uchiha revolt!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so madara had never the intention to reveal his true identity to the 4th!!!!!!!!he planned it with the elders in order to annihilate the uchiha clan!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to sum it up !!!!!!!!!!madara shows up at naruto's birth!!!hokage sees the sharingan!!!kyuubi is released!!!!!!!4th dies sealing the kyuubi!!!people start suspecting the uchiha's for this tragedy!!!madara along with his informer (one of the elders) passes the orders to end the uchiha clan!!!so the whole thing was planned by the notorious madara /tobi!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a theory, as Kushina's childbirth being kept really classified by the top of Konoha, we see in the last chapter that Sasuke's mom is the only person to meet her in the way to the hideout.
So I'm guessing she told Sasuke's dad or something and somehow it leaked to madara.
These would put the Uchiha plotting for the very beginning to grab the Kyubi.
What do you think?
well, I think everything's gonna be explained in a couple of chapters. I don't think that Kishi would have made this interaction random without bearing any significance to the plot. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out this way... I always considered uchihas power-hungry degenrateswho can't grasp the concept of "friendship" (except for itachi of course)
it seems unlikely to me, as the Uchiha's had distanced themselves from Madara a really long time ago and no one knew he was still alive after his fight with the First.
I think Kishi showed her so she could show her baby Sasuke ("he's the same age as you baby, I hope they'll be friends" and so on)
Plus, was Kushina hiding herself from everyone in the village while pregnant? I mean, just one look at her and anybody could tell she was expecting. No need to be a ninja to notice she's pregnant.
But yeah, we'll see what Kishi has in store for us in the next few chapters
whats wrong with you guys!, dont you know the penultimate evil uchihaihaihe...hah power... kishi's sasuke (named after the legendary ninja sasuke) plot kai.
kishi wouldnt dare tarnish sasuke's parent any more especially after them getting killed by itachi, thus fueling the sasuke's emo meter.
clearly there must be other traitors involved, for madara is a person that likes to prepare a plan and act on secret sources. And since this 16 year old night is so crucial, we cant just have madara tipped about the location of kushina jinchuriki giving birth minutes before the attack.
We already know of Zetsus abilities in that he can immerse himself to most known environments . I'm sure Madara was capable of obtaining the information on his own. We know full well from Kushinas recollection that no information on the location of her childbirth was passed on, nor the exact timing (though that is something that she could have predetermined being a close friend).
The only person we know was definately aware of Madara is Itachi, but even with him we can't be sure of the timing. It's possible Shishui also may have caught on but I can't see that being highlighted anytime soon. In both of these cases it would have been years after the birth of Naruto. Remember Madara is the guy that turned Uchiha into a vintage eye collection, after the first great village generation he showed no true compassion for them.
It might or might not have been her, but regardless of the truth, surely this same suspicion that we have must have sparked in the minds of the elders too. It's likely that they started suspecting Sasuke's father for conspiring with Madara after this incident, and I believe this might have been the beginning of everything that happened to Sasuke.
This could be a possibility but Kushina never said where she was giving birth and also it didn't seem that Mikoto knew Kushina was a container for the kyuubi making mikoto unable to know that there would be a special location away from the village for naruto to be born because of her jinchuriki status. I don't think that mikoto did this but she could have possibly unintentionally told her husband and maybe somehow was overheard by madara who knew kushina was a jinchuriki but i doubt mikoto had anything to do with it
OORR maybe she was coincidentally there and they blamed the uchiha because she was the only person they came across with. And this suspicion, or mistake, was the main source for suspecting the uchiha!
Guys! guys!... Stop.. Sasuke's Mom was there because Uchiha's don't have strollers. Sasuke can't walk, he can't even say googoogaagaa (lady gaga)... And, Kishi needed to state, that, Sasuke, and Naruto, were born the same year.... And that, by itself, is a cool Fact!
it was danzou who told madara he is an elder who knew about kushina. also danzou is someone who wanted to change the world and he needed so he might have thought by giving tobi/madara the 9 tails the 4th would die and he would be hokage or maybe he wanted for the uchiha to be thought has threats because he 'trust them just a thought
p.s tobi/madara is like danzou in the sense he has multiple sharigans in his arms and legs to use izangi you can see this in his jacket in this pic http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/280/19/
The only thing i dont like about it is that itachi later "helped" kill all the uchiha and ran away with madara, now we know to care for sasuke. But maybe he had to run away with madara because he had no choice or was forced to after he found about shishui.
We also know nothing about shishui's character, only that was he was a famous and strong sharingan-ax user. Also since in the end danzo turned out to be on the good side, he might have known about the shishui-itachi incident due to his root anbu connectionss
Regardless of that fact though things don't have to be so linear. It is possible that Madara engineered this whole situation simply to delude the Uchiha people into taking action of their own. Knowing how the Kyuubi is related to their bloodline they could have easily misread it as a sign of their uprise. After that it was only a matter of time before their intentions were traced, they're a clan of ninja inside a village of ninja after all.
As for Shishui being a traitor? Well...
1. He hasn't been pictured at any point
2. He has no immediate reference to the plot at this point in time
3. He is likely the same age as Itachi, who seems to be pre-acadamy. Though the age can be debated I can't see the benefits for shishui. You may want it to be true in order to see Itachi in a warmer light but he was doing enough good as it is. Killing his best friend who followed anti-konoha ideals was the first step for him.
The most likely truth is that it was Danzou, as Esg876 said. It's been known for a while that Danzous eyes were obtained with the co-operation of Madara (Though integrated with Oro), and Danzou is the only person in a position to inherit such crucial information, making it all the more likely. This may have been the basis of their relationship.
Last edited by Hyuuga_Mugen; July 08, 2010 at 04:50 AM.