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Last edited by Josef K.; November 27, 2011 at 03:57 PM.
Nothing surprising there at all. We knew about saving Abe from last round's conclusion.
We should all fully expect Akiyama to be participating as well, by one means or another if this wasn't a bold faced lie after all.
Liar Game #139 Raw: Click Here
Summary of the chapter by TDX livejournal:
It seems like an awesome chapter! I mean we get the revival round again! It had to be Nao vs Harimoto, I think her father noticed that she kind of has changed with the whole Liar Game process, she lies and tricks people something she did not do before, I think this arc/game we will see the development of Nao into a greater player using the same tactics as Harimoto but losing her innocent behavior even more in the process. It will be interesting if the mangaka shifts from Yokoya vs Fukunaga to Nao/Akiyama vs Harimoto. It will be interesting to see Abe in this round as well as the other players aside from the big names many have proven to be quite the tricksters themselves as well. Ah well Akagi is gone as well.
Last edited by Josef K.; November 25, 2011 at 08:31 AM.
Awesome chapüter, Nao has really grown and taken Akiyama's words to the heart. She's no longer
indeferrent and *friendly because it keeps peopel away* but now genuinly cares for others.
She is most likely one of the strongest players now and this revival round will make her shine again.
I wonder what Yokoya learned about the game that makes him so sure to win....possibly the importance of strong bonds and
comrades but who know. Maybe he's just going Fuhrer again.
The chapter is now out, download it here.
The current roster culling was a good start, but frankly, I think the series could use more.
Fukunaga has outlived his usefulness as the untrustworthy "ally". (I mean that from a plot perspective. Realistically, Akiyama could play a more subtle version of that role better. Nao's development as a character almost certainly requires it.)
I can stand one more battle between them and Harimoto/Yokoya (I don't have any choice), but I really don't want to see it continue past that. It's been more than played out, and the series does not need a repeating villain. I think that actually hinders the development of the series, unless it is somehow brought to tie into the battle between Akiyama and the Liar Game Office. (A direction of which I am not a particularly big fan)
Without knowing exactly how this revival/consolation game works, it is hard to say exactly how many people will survive. Realistically, you have to assume that Nao/Akiyama win their side while Yokoya wins his side since there does not appear to be any new characters. (Is there even room for more characters? The game started out with 100k people, but that should have been whittled down extensively by now, but I haven't attempted to chart how many participants should approximately be left)
You probably have to assume that Nao uses her connection with Abe to defeat Harimoto (does she take the lead this round instead of Akiyama?). There are some interesting directions that could be taken that won't happen (Nao getting her to betray Harimoto then betraying Abe) because it does not go with the direction of the story.
I'd really like to see Nao/Akiyama tension this round and going further. Not an outright battle, but them not working together and conflicting while approximately working towards the same goal.
I don't think fukanaga has outlived his purpose. He certainly won't be the brain alongside akiyama but he is also no fool. He knows the game and he is extremely resourceful.
Now, how many times has yokoya said he figured out the liar game by now? I would think he has said it plenty lol. Anyways, it is true he has learned in each step of the way how to do things (I remember commenting about that a loooong time ago lol). Before he tried to do things by ruling with fear. Next he tried to appeal to greed. It kinda backfired against him. During the most recent game he underestimated the desires of people. One of his team mates betrayed him when a girl flirted with him and ultimately he lost when everyone ganged up against him. His next logical move is manipulating the heart as it was called. He will try to win actual loyalty from his subordinates which is something he has never gotten before. Heck, undying loyalty and nao's ability to get on the good side of people has been a huge factor in winning the games. As long as yokoya gets a loyal team on his side he will be more dangerous.
Well there are other people who we do not know beside Yokoya and Fukunaga in group B, my guess is that we will follow Nao's story first, their game I mean which will finish fast, for some reason I think it will just be there to show of show strong of a player Nao is, next we move on to Yokoya where it will be a hard game for him as he adjusts his playing style form mind to heart, his personality will change, will this make him a better or worst player afterwards? That will be the interesting thing at the end of the arc.
So now this could also be done backwards, we get Yokoya's group first and than Nao's which will be done short with some twist like Harimoto going berserk and wanting to hurt Abe because they lost, then we will have a spark of bravery form Nao defending Abe, it ends up with Harimoto disqualified and Abe getting into Nao's group, which should only be Akiyama and Fukunaga in the next round if all of them pass.
Untrustworthy character betrays the group for personal gain? It's been done before. By him even.
Him sacrificing himself for the benefit of the group? Not believable.
If he is going to pair and emotion with his mental game, I'd expect him to try guilt/shame next which Nao used to defeat him in the preliminary vaccination game. He isn't a likable guy, so he can't appeal to the desire to help someone, but he can threaten to expose the shady actions people undertook to get that far in the game. He is rich and has connections, so he could probably bribe the media to broadcast their names/pictures/accounts of what happened. When combined with a financial incentive, he could tie people to him to carry him to victory.
In the spoiler it said there were some new, though yeah I see the old ones as well, really have to write the names down and memorize them in order to follow the game more closely. In the musical chairs arc we did get to see how the other "random" players cope with different situations and how they are important to the overall game.
I see this as a problem of personality and Yokoya certainly has that, not appealing to people. but we can not assume that he has figured out the core of the game as Nao did and her theory was supported by the masked spectators, so could Yokoya be going at it from a different angle? I mean I do not want him to pull the same stuff again, maybe his understanding of the game is different, but who knows there might be more than one way to win and more than one explanation to what the game is and how to win than trust.
Actually, after Fukunaga realized his feelings for Akiyama and, more importantly, his desire to see him, well, if not happy, then at least doing well and living a good life, the purpose of his participation in the Liar Game shifted. Now he's in it much more for the sake of protecting Akiyama then for money. If Nao wants to save everybody, and that's her motivation for continuing on with the LG, Fukunaga wants to save specifically Akiyama and for that he'll fight tooth and nail. He won't sacrifice himself for the benefit of the group, but he will sacrifice himself for Akiyama's benefit.
At the moment the question I have is if Fukunaga's aware that Akiyama planned on continuing with the game despite dropping out or he thinks Akiyama is safe now. I would think that, unlike Nao, Fukunaga suspects the true extent of the cunningness of Akiyama's mind and his stubborness in his desire to take down the LGT Office self-destructing in the proceess, so he probably suspects Akiyama found some loophole to worm his way back to the game.
As for Yokoya, yes, I also think he will try to incorporate emotions into his gamestyle somehow, and he probably came up with some creative way to do that... I do hope, however, it will be more than just blackmailing to press people's shame and guilt. After all, Akiyama isn't quite your cute likeable guy either, but remember the caring and appreciative attitute the prison guard displayed towards him in the very beginning of the manga. It is possible for thinkers, like Akiyama and Yokoya, to appeal to people's good emotions, it just that maybe the scale is more modest and it takes longer in comparison to heart manipulators (like Nao and Harimoto).
Last edited by fanatik; November 28, 2011 at 11:09 PM.
Chapter was pretty much what I expected it to be - a transition chapter basically into the revival round. Yokoya's statement as I theorized in the 138 chapter thread. I'll just paste it here since its a bit long I'll use a spoiler tag:
If Yokoya does intend to go the 'heart/emotion' route in order to build up his strength I'd find it somewhat of a stretch. Its not a skill you can particularly develop as its more of an attitude or a bearing of your character while it CAN be developed its not something that could suddenly happen at the snap of a finger, especially given the time frame. Even more problematic is unlike Nao its pretty clear over the course of the game he's been too stuck up with his idea of absolute victory to learn too much. Course you COULD fake it if you were a top class actor but I don't see much reason to believe Yokoya is much of an actor, even then the issue here is that he does not look the part so to speak. Still given that we'll probably see another round of Yokoya, much to my discontent as I'd really rather have him leave already, I'm guessing his strategy assuming it does involve appealing to people the way Nao/Harimoto will work.
Leaving me to worry about Fukunaga, well Nao/Akiyama and he does have his own wins should negate his debt issue, disappearing from the Liar Game. But given what Akiyama just did it is possible that Fukunaga may just become someone's representative should push come to shove of him needing to continue participating, or should he really wish to participate. In the long shot that he does beat Yokoya I'd be pretty damn happy, I like Fukunaga and I'd really love to see Yokoya go.
Akiyama's decision somewhat surprises me since I thought he'd finally go after the people behind the Liar Game, I mean they've been left alone far too long, and was hoping he'd not be in this round so that Nao could just go head to head against Harimoto since they're both appealing to the same thing. Oh well I guess Nao still needs Akiyama at this point.