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^^But he's right...Minato's succession of jutsus he's quick thinking totally owned Tobi...but that wasn't enough...we also saw that it's nothing for Tobi to lose an arm...so losing an arm was really nothing...and in a 1 on 1 fight Minato probably would've had the advantage, because he marked Tobi...but there's no point if he can't land a hit on him...and this battle wasn't really for defeating each other...Tobi wanted to control Kyuubi and destroy Konoha, and Minato to stop him...well Minato stopped him for a while, but Kyuubi killed him...
So it's really hard and if you take a look at the whole picture it's not like Minato owned...and Tobi just teleported away...there's really no way to know what could've happened...as far as we know genjutsu and other ninjutsu could've worked against Minato
About his combos with Sasuke...it could be some nice teleporting stuff combined with Susano'o...well insane...I still think this battle goes to Uchiha, but it's a close call...character and manga wise it would go to Minato and Naruto, but taken out of plot context...Uchiha
Last edited by benelori; August 01, 2010 at 08:27 AM.
I can't really say this for sure because we haven't seen Sasuke's EMS, but if Naruto has the Kyuubi, then he wins this IMO
He can create 10 000 kb, transforming 75% of them into Ma, Pa and Minato, summon Ma and Pa, and then they use frog song while while Sasuke and Madara try to find the original ones.
Minato can S/T barrier amaterasu away and Madara can't attack because he would be raped by all the clones.
What Madara was aiming to do was teleport Minato out of the way so he could reak havoc on Konoha. I'd like to say Minato and Naruto could take it, (which I did before), but when we see Madara come at someone with more of a killers intent we'll get more answers as to how he can be beaten. Madara coming out unharmed still dosen't fully prove to me that he could take Minato, I mean, if all he could do to get Minato out of the way is teleport him then what power does Madara really have? and if he really wasn't harmed by Minato why did he leave instead of continuing to try to teleport Minato away?
Oh and also, If Madara remains untouchable the whole time then what use is he to the battle? He has to be solid to do anything useful, such as teleport. I'm sure they'll be some way through the Susanoo (maybe FRS?) that will also be revealed.
Last edited by Naruffy; August 01, 2010 at 11:03 PM.
UR right, but that proves that the outcome is not that obvious as Minato owning Tobi, and nor Tobi owning Minato...
How? By Minato's own admission Madara saw thru everything he did. Minato had a hard time dealing with Madara til the Hiraishin second stage, And even then Madara was capable of continuing. With the trick revealed, Minato would have had a hard time landing other hit on Madara. Madara left because the Kyuubi was no longer under his control. Once Madara lost control of the Kyuubi, He had no reason to stay around. He couldn't try and put the Kyuubi back under his control since that would have involved revealing himself to the rest of Konoha, Which he was avoiding. Anyway, This is moving away from the main point. Let's say that neither Minato or Madara have what it takes to take the other out, Thus it would come down to their partner to do that. Sasuke would have a much easier time taking Minato out then Naruto would have taking on Madara.
It's the opposite. Minato was being pushed by Madara and only gained the upper-hand with Hiraishin second stage, Which wouldn't have worked again on Madara. It was an one off trick and Madara would have been expecting it the second time along with the seal on himself. Even then, Madara still achieved what he wanted.
I don't see why Sasuke couldn't. It took three attack attempts for Minato to figure a way to counter Madara, Plenty of time for Sasuke to do what he needs to do. Sasuke's long range techniques means he can attack Minato before Minato has a chance to even get to him and Susanoo provides defense against the majority of Minato's attacks along with another option for fast range attacks. Plus his hawk summons means he could hang outside of their range and set himself up. Sasuke has several options to stall both Minato and Naruto, And with Madara there to provide support he shouldn't have any trouble taking either one out.
Despite what Yondaime said about fighting Tobi to Naruto, I still think Minato did pretty well. And I don't think Minato was being pushed by Tobi, or the other way around. It was fairly equal match, in which Tobi wanted to 'have fun' with Hokage so Kyuubi dealt damage to the village, while Minato wanted to 'separate' control of Kyuubi from Tobi. You say that it was "one off trick" BUT you doesn't count the possibility 'what if Minato wanted to kill the guy, hmm? If Minato is really that good at thinking as most ppl think, he would kill Tobi in that "one off trick" with sth more than "kunai" <which doesn't kill in Narutoverse >. He's not Hidan for god pain sake xdOriginally Posted by Rikudou King
Aside from that: until I see what Naruto and Sasuke can do with their new abilities, and concentrating on what I saw till now: Uchihas takes this one, period.
Also, Madara can't go near the originals (even if he somehow finds them) because then all the clones would stab/slash/rasengan him immediatly.
Minato could also seal the amaterasu like Jiraya did, only it would require a litle more time.
It is also possible for Naruto to distract Sasuke with either clones or with some FRS.
In the meantime, Madara wouldn't be able to get near the original Ma and Pa because they would be surrounded by clones, and since Madara can't turn solid inside someone, they would be safe from all his attacks.
Again, this is without knowing whatever 4th power Sasuke will get, so I'm calling this a tie because of that.
Last edited by hakuthehedgehog; August 05, 2010 at 03:12 PM.
I thought Tobi was pretty pathetic when he fought Minato. I also think Naruto is on par with Sasuke now as far as we know. Since we don't know what will happen with Sasuke's EMS or Naruto's new strength with QB it could really go either way.