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This is linked to my other thread allon vs any of the lower espada
i asked if allon could beat any of the espada and a disscusion broke out of the power difference between fraccion, espada, allon and the vcs he beat. which got me thinking could the combined might of the vcs he trashed beat any of the espada.
rangiku, kira, hinimori, iba, and hisagi vs any of the espada.
If the espada are actually serious, there is no reason they should even have a hard time IMO. It'd be like when renji and ishida faced grants except that no one there will have bankai or uryu's technique or wits.
By virtue of the fact the Rukia pulled it off, the only one they have a chance in hell at defeating is #9 Aaroniero.
#8 and above are too strong. This might have been more interesting if it was the vaizard former-VCs vs. lower-middle ranked espada. I could see Hiyori or Lisa taking Grimmjow.
This is a good concept, I personaly think some of the VCs have had at least a little bit of strength/skill/reiatsu development since the SS arc. hisagi and kira both took a major beating during that that last huge battle and kept on ticking, this increase in endurence makes me imagine them as increasing their reiatsu and very gradually putting them closer to captain level/bankai/etc. Combined with hinamoris kido, matsumotos above average speed, and whatever iba has to offer, they could pull it off.
It seems like aroneiro is easily handled, rukia looked like she had enough power in the kido and zan department to hurt him, multiply that by five and he should be struggling a lot.
Szayelappora is to unpredictable in the science aspect so there's really no telling on that front. He might be able to catch them in his wings and start crushing organs, that would end things pretty quick. But if kira can make them heavy, then they might be able to move in for an attack.
Zommari would be tricky, his sonido would be seriously dangerous, but amore would be pretty busy holding on to five decently quick opponents. He would have to acress 3 to 5 eyes to completly use them against each other, what other way does he have to hurt them in his release anyway?
Luppi and grimjow might be pushing it. But all in all they have the potential to do some damage as a cooperative team. The five of them might even he able to take on some captains.
Last edited by conn-man; August 16, 2010 at 03:06 PM.
Rukia got lucky in her fight against arroniero. She by no means was a match to the strength of the guy. Had arroniero not lowered his guard, he'd have murderde rukia without her being able to fight back in the least. If you add PIS to the fight then perhaps even keigo can kill aizen but if PIS is not a factor here then a VC defeating a espada is not realistic in the least.
i doubt the VCs could beat syazel..he is underestimated alot his ablilitys were dangerous and could major damage to most people...heck mayuri had to fake his organs just to beat him.
arronieo was weak anyway just a gillian he more a fraccion then espada
^I don't think arroniero was more of a fraccion than a espada. Considering even sealed yammi was considered to have espada level power (remember when he along with luppi and co invaded karakura town) I doubt arroniero would be any less of a threat. Arroniero was stupid, not weak.
Arraineo be useless to most people as main power was mimic people he ate n upset people by it.arranieo was the weakest of all espada he be stomped by anyone rukia only struggled coz of mimic kaien.
If arroniero had not given rukia the time and hadn't talked so much she would have been defeated quick. She was pushed to the brink of death with all the information he had given her and the weakness he let her find out. Anyone else would have been killed.
On to the matter at hand, the vcs vs lower espada...I think they could beat AA...His resurrecion doesn't seem too intimidating...I mean you cant use 30,000 abilities at once so i think they could take him all together..The reason Rukia beat him was because he didnt know of her 3rd sword dance...So its plausible that they could beat him...Szayel would be too much and so would Zommari, Grimmy and Nnoitra..
My poor fav espada gets no respect ...
Well, AA is the weakest espada, but that also means he is the tenth strongest arrancar under aizen (sure there is the luppi rank issue, but ignoring that) which means he is stronger than some of the more impressive fraccion (po, edrad, shawlong), the privaron espada (dordoni being close to bankai lvl ichigo), and unrealeased yammy.
I'm aware these names seem unimpressive on the grand scale, but when talking about VC's, these are all people I think would give the mentioned VC's a run for their money, if not soundly beat them, and AA according to the info given is stronger then all of them based on rank.
Even if 99.9% of the hollows eaten were fodder (which they probably were), its unlikely that of those thousands of hollows, he did not come across a dozen or so with dangerous abilities or situational techniques that could be handy. Not to mention metastacia's ability to destroy zanpakto's on contact and possess peoples bodies to consume them from the inside out. These last two abilities alone could effectively dispatch two of the five vc's, not to mention the mayhem he could cause in one of their bodies, against comrades hesitant to raise their blade.
Nothing compares to the pity I have for zommari though. Is it really a question that he can't destroy these five, let alone grimmjow. Hell, he doesn't even have to release, his five clones can cut them down at the same time.
I don't see if VC's can beat anyone more than 9th Espada. Even then the only VCs that stand chance could be Renji, Madarame, or Hisagi . Renji and Ishida combined struggled against Aporro Granz. I see almost no hope for VCs against Espada 6,7, and 8.
I still do not get how a VC can have a shred of a chance against an espada. Rukia is roughly at VC level and she still got the fodder treatment from arroniero. Only reason she actually lasted in the fight was because arroniero did not fight seriously for a second. IMO arroniero does not even need to release his zampakuto (either of them) here, he can just speedblitz the VCs and there'd be little they could do about it. And the VCs handling arroniero's resurreccion? We didn't see much of it but I can't imagine what they could do to it. Arroniero was the weakest espada but without the severe amounts of PIS that allowed rukia to kill him, he'd give any VC the fodder treatment. Heck, he'd probably have an easy victory againt all the VCs mentioned here together.....
I think mentioned VCs would have very little chance of taking out AA. He was by no means weak, and unless Renji or Madarame are there, I don't see this going for VCs.
Also, Grimmjow would tear them apart, it wouldn't even be funny.