Kage Bunshin at the root of Fuuinjutsu.

[SenninSage]

Hasn't anybody ever found it interesting how the Kage Bunshin technique works? How Naruto can so effortlessly have the Kage Bunshin reflect his will or thoughts at very specific times, even upon their very summoning? It's one thing if they're doing very basic things, but things can get downright complex with how he uses kage bunshin, don't you think?

It still to this day blows me away how he can deal with the potential concentration requirements that such a technique, at the level that he uses it, must require.

How does he coordinate so incredibly well without words when we haven't seen any signs whatsoever that the Kage Bunshin can communicate telepathically? In fact, we absolutely know they can't.

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I never got how all of this high level planning, executed with such precise timing is possible, and I think I finally may have a reason. Naruto has a natural talent, or knack, for fuuinjutsu. He's using Kage Bunshin to a degree where, on every use, he's literally -- whether he realizes it or not -- sealing in copies of his desired thoughts and strategies into the clones. In essence, he even possesses the ability to provide very specific roles to just certain kage bunshin meanwhile the rest have a different set of instructions, and the only reason they're able to execute on his desires to such amazing perfection, is thanks to his sealing ability. I think it will be revealed that the Kage Bunshin technique is at the very base or heart of mastering very complex and powerful sealing ninjutsu. If there's a technique out there that no other individual uses at the degree that Naruto can, it's the Kage Bunshin technique, even much more so than the Rasengan.

Think about it: What basis exactly did Tsunade have to suggest that Naruto's Ninjutsu style is more like Kushina's than Minato's? Last I checked, we don't know of any techniques that Naruto possesses or uses often that are similar to his mother's. Whereas we do know for a fact that Naruto has Minato's Rasengan and has progressed the technique significantly. I think it's because Kushina was very skilled in sealing ninjutsu, and based on how well known Naruto's impressive use of Kage Bunshin is, I think she can very clearly tell that Naruto has just as much potential in sealing ninjutsu as his mother did.

Only other character we've seen perform Kage Bunshin to a degree anywhere nearly as impressive as Naruto himself, has been Itachi. And Itachi's last act when he was alive, was performing a very impressive Amaterasu sealing technique on Sasuke with just a tap on the forehead.

Think of Kage Bunshin being at the root for Sealing Ninjutsu mastery as similar to how Kakashi felt so strongly that having Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke train to focus chakra to their feet and run up a tree would benefit them greatly in the long run in a number of different areas.

[Jack Van Burace]

So, you're basically saying that Naruto won't need to learn Fuuinjutsu basics as he already trained it his whole life, with KB. Very interesting. I was thinking Kishi wanted to make another timeskip and give Naruto and Sasuke other power-ups (Hiraishin and sealings for Naruto, and Cursed Seal once again for Sasuke), but you just found a way for him to end Naruto next time Sasuke and him face each other.

[SenninSage]

So, you're basically saying that Naruto won't need to learn Fuuinjutsu basics as he already trained it his whole life, with KB. Very interesting. I was thinking Kishi wanted to make another timeskip and give Naruto and Sasuke other power-ups (Hiraishin and sealings for Naruto, and Cursed Seal once again for Sasuke), but you just found a way for him to end Naruto next time Sasuke and him face each other.

You nailed it. I think Naruto has -- without his realizing -- been training at and mastering the very basics of sealing Fuuinjutsu for a good part of his life.

It would be really interesting, and pretty damn cool, if this were truly the case.

Maybe it isn't an absolute prerequisite to becoming skilled at Fuuinjutsu, but perhaps it's one of the absolute best ways to hone the skill, or gauge someone's potential for being extraordinary at Fuuinjutsu. And as we know already know, Naruto represents the very cream of the crop for Kage Bunshin use

[M3J]

I don't think kage bunshin and fuuinjutsu can be associated with each other. When Naruto uses kage bunshin, he doesn't have to focus on chakra control after summoning it; he can just focus more on controlling them. With seals, it's possible there needs to be chakra control, but high level of focus and control is required, as implied by Orochimaru when he stated Kakashi was good with seals at his age. I don't think Naruto's usage of kage bunshin helps him master the seals as higher level of thinking/knowledge is required, but I am speculating.

[ninjabot]

Seems a bit far-fetched to me. Bunshin are exact copies of their creators. EXACT. The odds of one clone thinking of reacting one way, without orders from it's originator, should be 99.9% accurate that they'd do the exact same thing their creator would in a given situation. But even then, he probably simply controls them. Meaning no Fuuinjutsu sealing portions of his concsiousness within.

Most likely it's simply Naruto isn't conversating with the clones telepathically. He's just willing them to act, like one would "tell" their hand to reach out and grab something. They're all parts of a whole, capable of individual action and thought, but still controlled by the originator as if they were moving one of their own limbs.

To think that he's "sealing" his thoughts and orders into one before creating it isn't believable for me, because it takes a level of intelligence and forthought Naruto simply does not have. Likewise, Fuuinjutsu isn't something you pulloff via accident. As for the ninjutsu comparison between he and his mother, both have high chakra reserves, firey never-say-die attitudes, and access to the Kyuubi. Which probably means "Kushina used to spam jutsu just like Naruto".

[SenninSage]

Indeed, it may not make things a breeze for him, but I'm suspecting that his use of Kage Bunshin represents a potential strong sign for how good he can become with sealing ninjutsu.

It's like seeing a kid with an amazing throwing arm, then speculating that there's a very good chance he could grow up to become a really good baseball pitcher or football quarterback, if you can get them to practice and work on their technique. I think what Naruto can do with his Kage Bunshin is possible evidence of an amazing foundation for sealing ninjutsu.

And then, as we've seen with Naruto's Sage training and his Fuuton Rasen Shuriken training, he's become pretty exceptional in the areas of chakra control.

For another Naruto example, Sakura has always been the best young member of Team 7 in the area of chakra control and efficiency. That developed into her being a ripe prodigy for medical ninjutsu, and the kind of amazing chakra based strength technique that Tsunade employs. I'm sure Sakura's training wasn't easy, but her foundation probably made her a good fit for Medical Ninjutsu training.

[soozooted25]

Hasn't anybody ever found it interesting how the Kage Bunshin technique works? How Naruto can so effortlessly have the Kage Bunshin reflect his will or thoughts at very specific times, even upon their very summoning? It's one thing if they're doing very basic things, but things can get downright complex with how he uses kage bunshin, don't you think?

It still to this day blows me away how he can deal with the potential concentration requirements that such a technique, at the level that he uses it, must require.

How does he coordinate so incredibly well without words when we haven't seen any signs whatsoever that the Kage Bunshin can communicate telepathically? In fact, we absolutely know they can't.

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I never got how all of this high level planning, executed with such precise timing is possible, and I think I finally may have a reason. Naruto has a natural talent, or knack, for fuuinjutsu. He's using Kage Bunshin to a degree where, on every use, he's literally -- whether he realizes it or not -- sealing in copies of his desired thoughts and strategies into the clones. In essence, he even possesses the ability to provide very specific roles to just certain kage bunshin meanwhile the rest have a different set of instructions, and the only reason they're able to execute on his desires to such amazing perfection, is thanks to his sealing ability. I think it will be revealed that the Kage Bunshin technique is at the very base or heart of mastering very complex and powerful sealing ninjutsu. If there's a technique out there that no other individual uses at the degree that Naruto can, it's the Kage Bunshin technique, even much more so than the Rasengan.

Think about it: What basis exactly did Tsunade have to suggest that Naruto's Ninjutsu style is more like Kushina's than Minato's? Last I checked, we don't know of any techniques that Naruto possesses or uses often that are similar to his mother's. Whereas we do know for a fact that Naruto has Minato's Rasengan and has progressed the technique significantly. I think it's because Kushina was very skilled in sealing ninjutsu, and based on how well known Naruto's impressive use of Kage Bunshin is, I think she can very clearly tell that Naruto has just as much potential in sealing ninjutsu as his mother did.

Only other character we've seen perform Kage Bunshin to a degree anywhere nearly as impressive as Naruto himself, has been Itachi. And Itachi's last act when he was alive, was performing a very impressive Amaterasu sealing technique on Sasuke with just a tap on the forehead.

Think of Kage Bunshin being at the root for Sealing Ninjutsu mastery as similar to how Kakashi felt so strongly that having Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke train to focus chakra to their feet and run up a tree would benefit them greatly in the long run in a number of different areas.

i totally agree with about half of what you said naruto has used his shadow clones better than anybody esle they've shown but i think it has nothing to do with fuuinjutsu but with Hiraishin. I think naruto will use Hiraishin but he will use his shadow clone because if its true and u go off what madara actually said about kushina's seal having a marker so that the fourth could always show up to save her and the fact that the fourth pretty much used kushina's seal to seal the 9 tails in naruto. that naruto already has the marker for the technique and since each shadow clone is a carbon copy of naruto he should be able to use his shadow clones to do it.

[ninjabot]

What Naruto can do with his Kage Bunshin is a basis for friggin' ANYTHING. It's a Hyperbolic Time Chamber, allowing him to learn whatever he wants 1000 (or more) times faster than the average ninja. So yes, in a sense, it WOULD be the likely reason any of his Fuuinjutsu is learned. But not because it's affiliated with Kage Bunshin in any way. Simply because the KB training method would allow him to learn rediculously fast.

I mean, to make things more accurate, look at your analogy. The kid has a good throwing arm. So you think of things that he could be good at, thanks to said throwing arm. Throwing footballs. Throwing baseballs. But with KB, we don't know the specifics of it, so we can't say how mastery of it can lead to mastery of a subset of techniques. If we knew what prerequisites were necessary to master the jutsu then we'd be on to something. I mean, the building blocks of Kage Bunshin. All we know is that it takes chakra to spare. But that's too general. Not like with Sakura and her Medical Jutsu.

I mean, Medical Ninjutsu takes perfect chakra control. Sakura had that. Thus, she could accel in that field through practice. Fuuinjutsu takes knowledge of things that we haven't even been introduced to yet, though space/time manipulation could be one of them. KB isn't S/T manipulation because it actually creates the doppleganger, not transfer it from another location.

I guess all I'm saying is, we don't know enough about what's needed to make a Fuuinjutsu, to decide who would be good at them.

[SenninSage]

Seems a bit far-fetched to me. Bunshin are exact copies of their creators. EXACT. The odds of one clone thinking of reacting one way, without orders from it's originator, should be 99.9% accurate that they'd do the exact same thing their creator would in a given situation. But even then, he probably simply controls them. Meaning no Fuuinjutsu sealing portions of his concsiousness within.

Most likely it's simply Naruto isn't conversating with the clones telepathically. He's just willing them to act, like one would "tell" their hand to reach out and grab something. They're all parts of a whole, capable of individual action and thought, but still controlled by the originator as if they were moving one of their own limbs.

To think that he's "sealing" his thoughts and orders into one before creating it isn't believable for me, because it takes a level of intelligence and forthought Naruto simply does not have. Likewise, Fuuinjutsu isn't something you pulloff via accident. As for the ninjutsu comparison between he and his mother, both have high chakra reserves, firey never-say-die attitudes, and access to the Kyuubi. Which probably means "Kushina used to spam jutsu just like Naruto".

Yea, the very notion does seem a bit out there, but it may fit a lot better than we might realize because, trust me, it felt crazy to me at first, too.

I like the way you put it regarding his willing them to act, or them still being parts of a whole, but the degree to which they can act on his desires seems truly mind blowing to me. That implies a type of connection between the original and the Kage Bunshin that, in a way, has never been suggested to exist. Take for example before his FRS training with Kakashi. Naruto was told to create a Kage Bunshin, but wasn't given a purpose for why he'd be making it. It seems there's certainly a degree to which Naruto can will on a Kage Bunshin to do something, but the sheer logistics of controlling as many in the complex manner that he does seems pretty crazy.

Even accepting that he's simply willing them into action, it does seem a bit much many times.

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For this scenario to work, they'd have to essentially be willed into action even as the real naruto was transformed into a FRS. Naruto created 2 KB, and then when the smoke screen is up, I guess he created one more kage bunshin (since he says he can only create 3 in battle), then he transforms into a FRS, then the remaining 3 KB work together to make a real FRS -- since you need 3 narutos to do that technique -- then once the FRS is done and thrown, one of them jumps off into the air to later double rasengan hell realm. Now the planning is one thing, but the timing is just insane.

I guess when all is said and done it's easier to accept that Naruto is feeding them his thought process through his mind or will, and thinking this many moves in advance, while also executing on the plans to perfection, but no matter how you slice it, whatever he's doing it's unbelievable. Even if it's as you say, I'm having a tough time not believing this level of ability with kage bunshin won't prove highly beneficial when it comes to sealing.

Sealing, in a sense, is like programming or designing something to operate in a very specific, high level and super precise manner. Naruto strikes me as doing something very similar to that with his Kage Bunshin use.

No matter how we slice it, he essentially, in some ways, has to be operating and thinking on a level that rivals or surpasses that of Pain Rikudou. I believe the manner in which Nagato achieved those 6 pains, and was able to store the abilities in the different abilities in the fashion that he did, was through some advanced sealing techniques. Probably also how he got them to all share their vision.

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i totally agree with about half of what you said naruto has used his shadow clones better than anybody esle they've shown but i think it has nothing to do with fuuinjutsu but with Hiraishin. I think naruto will use Hiraishin but he will use his shadow clone because if its true and u go off what madara actually said about kushina's seal having a marker so that the fourth could always show up to save her and the fact that the fourth pretty much used kushina's seal to seal the 9 tails in naruto. that naruto already has the marker for the technique and since each shadow clone is a carbon copy of naruto he should be able to use his shadow clones to do it.

Well, Hiraishin's secrets may end up being based in fuuinjutsu mastery. Of course, I'm totally just speculating on all this. I just have a very funny feeling that this mastery of Kage Bunshin that he possesses will prove indispensable when it comes to the learning of high level sealing jutsu.

Hey, in a way it could potentially explain how Naruto's random use of such a high level sealing technique that the Kyuubi recognized as being from the Sage of the Six Paths himself, seemed like something that came completely natural to him. Could it be another possible case where the resulting outcome reflected his desires, and he somehow unconsciously made it come together exactly as he envisioned?

I think the desires of an individual performing a fuuinjutsu has a major impact on the eventual outcome. I know this is something quite a bit different from sealing jutsu, but do you sorta remember how Kabuto just knew based on Tsunade's chakra, that she fully intended on harming Orochimaru instead of helping him?

If you think about that example there. What other jutsu in the entirety of the Naruto universe could give a ninja more opportunities to act upon their desires or will in a variety of different ways? The way Naruto uses it? Absolutely the Kage Bunshin. I don't doubt the possibility that it may be completely un-related to fuuinjutsu, but then there's a good chance it could be a very nice bit of practice or experience to already have under your belt when thinking about fuuinjutsu.

One of the only other things i find this strange and this unexplainable seems to be Hiraishin itself. You have to wonder how Minato knows exactly which kunai he's going to and when. I've had theories that perhaps there's some of his chakra stored there in those markings, and based on that he can pinpoint where he wants to go because he has a high level chakra sensing ability or something.

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Ninjabot I think you said something pretty interesting with regards to kb and s/t ninjutsu. I don't think they are directly related as you do, but perhaps similar in a certain sense?

Let's try to think about Kage Bunshin. It's the user literally taking their bodily information and transforming it to another body that's basically real in every sense of the word. It's capable of doing all the same things that the real one can do, if a person possesses the necessary ability to maintain the jutsu, of course.

Now, let's try to think about Hiraishin. The concept seems to yet again be the performer of the technique taking their bodies unique information, and allowing it to appear elsewhere. Only, in the case of Hiraishin, that person isn't simply taking that bodily information and replicating it 2 or 3 times separate from their true self. It's a one shot deal over a greater distance than is possible with kage bunshin. They are using the same base body information and, through whatever method, are calling on the original source of the information that was provided in the technique formula and transferring it elsewhere.

Think of it in the sense that the Hiraishin kunai or marking becomes the original, or in the case of this example, the real Naruto, and when that marking or kunai is somehow given a stimulus or activation command of some sort, it proceeds through the process of triggering the mock performing of a kage bunshin technique, only the difference with this kage bunshin technique is that, while it may call upon a true body copy of the original (like the kage bunshin does), instead of it being a fake, it's the real one.

What could Naruto do if he possessed the means to activate a kage bunshin technique that called him, instead of a real body clone, over long distances?

I guess you could probably say the user is performing whatever it is a person needs to perform to use a kage bunshin, only they aren't actually making the kage bunshin appear, if that makes any sense.

That explanation is just something I made up on the spot, but it's an attempt to try and tie together kb with a space-time ninjutsu. I mean, there are far more creative people than myself that can come up with something that makes far more sense, but there's a possibility for the very first major technique that naruto learned, to become a vital key to his further development.

[blaise]

Seems a bit far-fetched to me. Bunshin are exact copies of their creators. EXACT. The odds of one clone thinking of reacting one way, without orders from it's originator, should be 99.9% accurate that they'd do the exact same thing their creator would in a given situation. But even then, he probably simply controls them. Meaning no Fuuinjutsu sealing portions of his concsiousness within.

Most likely it's simply Naruto isn't conversating with the clones telepathically. He's just willing them to act, like one would "tell" their hand to reach out and grab something. They're all parts of a whole, capable of individual action and thought, but still controlled by the originator as if they were moving one of their own limbs.

To think that he's "sealing" his thoughts and orders into one before creating it isn't believable for me, because it takes a level of intelligence and forthought Naruto simply does not have. Likewise, Fuuinjutsu isn't something you pulloff via accident. As for the ninjutsu comparison between he and his mother, both have high chakra reserves, firey never-say-die attitudes, and access to the Kyuubi. Which probably means "Kushina used to spam jutsu just like Naruto".

Intelligence and forethought is something that Kishi can cultivate easily in naruto. Everyone including Naruto eventually enjoy some growth in one way or another. Theres nothing preventing Kishi from reinventing naruto into a brilliant fuintjutsu user. Infact I'm positive that Kishi's trying to mold naruto into a combo of Minato and Kushina (the best of both).
Its just that stupidity seems like kishi's way to control naruto's growth. I mean lets face it if naruto was a sage, mastered kyuubi's chakra and had minato's brilliance then this manga would be over already.

@Senninsage
I'm inclined to agree because kagebunshin's secrets can only be fully explored by someone like naruto. There are some things we take for granted that naruto can do with his clones that no one else seems to be able to execute like changing a clone into the quick spinning dense chakra that is rasenshuriken. Kagebunshin secrets are still not fully explored giving room for kishi to bind this technique to pretty much anything; sage mode, fuinjustu, hiraishin, bijuu manipulation etc

[elitefox]

Well, just a thought...

Can a clone transform into kyubi, an indirect summon from his stomach with some independence lol.

The kyubi can see the landscape, the beauty of earth lol

[ninjabot]

Its just that stupidity seems like kishi's way to control naruto's growth. I mean lets face it if naruto was a sage, mastered kyuubi's chakra and had minato's brilliance then this manga would be over already.

My sentiments exactly. Naruto had every tool necessary to be an S-rank ninja back as a Genin, but no one would enjoy a manga where the main character has no hardship to overcome, no bumps along the road to being the best in the series. Naruto was given an awesome power, but crippled with stupidity to avoid turning him into Superman (good at everything and too strong for his foes to pose a threat, thus leaving us with boring and uninspired fightscenes). This is still my reasoning when asked why I don't want Naruto learning Hiraishin. There IS a such thing as too much power. Teleportation on top of regeneration on top of a now practically inexhaustible chakra reserve on top of chakra sensing ability on top of herculean strength on top of increased endurance and speed...

No.

And Sasuke, hax as everyone claims him to be, has his plot-related setbacks aswell. He is extremely emotional, so much so that he makes stupid decisions and doesn't use his powers to their full potential (he copied Lee's taijutsu... and that's it. Kakashi only has one, chakra-draining Sharingan and he STILL has thousands of jutsu in his repertoire. Why not Sasuke? To avoid giving him too much power, too soon ofcourse). Not to mention, every time he gets a new ability he fights a foe with a counter for it.


Anyway, I don't like the idea of Naruto changing who he is inorder to be the best. He can incorporate Fuuinjutsu into his repertoire WITHOUT being Kushina or Minato. He could do something as simple as make an FRS mine ( a tag with an FRS sealed inside, that explodes when touched, planting the enemy directly into the eye of the storm, so to speak).

@Sennin Sage:But if KB had to have some sort of effect on his Fuuinjutsu, and S/T manipulation had to be a part of it aswell, then the closest possible link I could think of is if he invented a new KB. One that he can seal things inside before sending it over long distances in the blink of an eye. For example?

Naruto uses the seal he learned to seal the Kyuubi with. He makes a tag that resembles it, and because it's powerful enough to seal Kyuubi, it can hold any normal ninja's chakra/jutsu completely. And instead of putting his thoughts and will into a KB he's gonna make, he puts all that jazz and adds a Fuuinjutsu inside of it. So he creates a Bunshin that when "killed", the seal within it's belly opens and sucks chakra from the enemy, before sealing it inside the dying KB. After said KB disappears, so does the enemy's chakra/jutsu.

And where does that chakra go? Back to Naruto. Fuck. I don't think I like this idea anymore...

[blaise]

Hiraishin (and fuuinjutsu knowledge) is more than justified in the powerups given to Naruto. Even looking at the worst case scenario (that is having naruto overpowered), there are still enemies who can play at his level.

Sasuke has haxingan (which itself is gifted with sealing ability)and the option to sync with gedo mazou and naruto's already in trouble. Imagine the power ofseven bijuu coursing through sasuke's body and suddenly Naruto gaining Ftg isn't so hax.

Kabuto could summon Itachi, nagato, salamader hanzou, jiraiya some popcorn and an armchair and watch naruto get knocked the f*&k out. Suddenly hiraishin isn't overpowered. In fact, if memory serves me right, there was once a certain senju shinobi who could use edo tensei and had a space-time teleportation tech to boot and he still got killed off.

Tobi possesses frightening intelligence, advanced kowledge in fuuin jutsu (he was able to undo a high level uzumaki seal on Kushina's belly), a working knowlege of almost everybody, the most broken s/t ninjutsu ever, 50 pairs of sharingans, probably a pair of rinnegans, seven bijuu and a plan to create a celestial eye.

A new and improved hiraishin on Naruto's part doesn't sound so broken now does it? In fact a competent knowledge of s/t and fuuinjutsu sounds pretty much like a necessity on naruto's part!!

[SenninSage]

I'm not too impressed with tobi's sealing ninjutsu ability just yet. He apparently had to wait for the seal to be severely weakened to do what he did, as he practically admitted.

Then again, however, at no other time would both Minato and Kushina be so vulnerable as they clearly were on that night.

Speaking of Itachi's skill with Kage Bunshin. Do we realize that he practically created a genjutsu kage bunshin, sasuke killed it in that cave he entered by himself and it triggered a genjutsu.

Itachi has even made a Tsukyomi Kage Bunshin. Sasuke destroyed it with his chidori infused shuriken and he was immediately hit with the effects of a Tsukyomi. Then there's also his exploding Kage Bunshin. Itachi seems to have quite some skill at doing some truly unbelievable things with his Kage Bunshin, and I think it's potential evidence of his sealing ability. After pointing out those examples that I just did, it just seems to make even more sense that he was able to seal an Amaterasu into Sasuke's eyes with such ease.

How the heck did he put whatever it is that he placed into Naruto? He created a Kage Bunshin and seems to have planned for it to seal some type of power inside of Naruto. Think about that for a moment. One of Itachi's Kage Bunshin, not the real Itachi, sealed something into Naruto in the form of a Genjutsu. I really do believe that Kage Bunshin has some kind of roots in sealing ninjutsu.

And personally, this might not mean much of anything, but didn't Naruto learn the jutsu out of a scroll called the scroll of seals, and it was said that it contained knowledge that could be used to release the Kyuubi? It was even stated by Mizuki that the scroll was literally used to seal Naruto or something like that. Or perhaps he just meant that it contained the information on the technique that was used to seal the Kyuubi into Naruto. Naruto didn't just pick a technique out of the scroll at random, he simply tried learning the first one on the list, and it was the Kage Bunshin technique. It's entirely possible that Kishi could be preparing to drop a major bomb on us with regards to how important the Kage Bunshin technique truly is when someone like Naruto is in possession of it.

Also... what I wouldn't do to see Kabuto have Salamander Hanzou in his arsenal of shinobi. I'd just love to get an opportunity to see what he could do in full.

[blaise]

^^ Maybe but that still proves a working knowledge of the uzumaki clan's forte doesn't it?
Afterall what tobi knows abt that would pretty much qualify as clan secrets would it not?
Tobi's knowledge is more than an asset to him. He is very dangerous precisely because of this.

I see where you're coming from though. General knowledge isn't necessarily the same as proficiency in sealing jutsu.