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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Last edited by kkck; August 08, 2010 at 03:15 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
WB commanders are not that far ahead of Croc, Jinbei and Ivankov. Magellan made the former two flee in terror while he defeated the latter. He did get a little injured but it wasn't fatal and it's mainly due to his fruit being a non-logia.
The current Admirals have a huge advantage in being Logia and also, Haki doesn't always work or it can be countered. Remember when WB (a person with King's Haki) impaled Aokiji? Well, then you should remember that it didn't work even though people near by said that WB used Haki.
So, the WB commander + Haki argument doesn't really say anything since we don't know how it works, yet.
Imo, Magellan is clearly Admiral material, no doubt. But he's more suitable to guard the prison. He proposed the idea of chasing the escapees but got rejected. He's not going anywhere.
For the next empty Admiral seat I would want someone fresh and quite unknown and a woman.
Magellan is clearly not Admiral level simply because he got beaten during the Impel Down incident. He was also on the verge of death so he was completely defeated after Luffy left the jail.
An Admiral is able to battle alone against several top fighters without too much problem, something Magellan was finally not able to do. Remember when Akainu faced the WB commanders and Crocodile on his own. Also all the Admirals were able to fight against Whitebeard himself. Magellan would only have ended up like John Giant if he had met Whitebeard.
Besides, Magellan very likely did lose against the Blackbeard Pirates, the same ones who were running from Akainu in the last chapter. Magellan is super strong but let him be what he is - the Chief Warden of Impel Down.
That being said, I don't think Magellan is Admiral material just yet though he probably is stronger then the average Vice Admiral and Shichibukai ((what with him being confident that Shiliew (his equal) could handle the Blackbeard Pirates alone).
The current Admirals are all Logia which Magellan isn't. If the Doku Doku no Mi had been a logia Magellan would have been a terrible enemy. Yes, I know that logia isn't everything, just look at Ace and Smoker. But the Admirals clearly has the best fruits. Kizaru gets an amazing speed and doesn't have a natural enemy, yet, one may assume that Darkness might be it. Akainu's fruit is very similar to Magellan's once you're hit you're out. The difference is that a simple hit can't hurt Akainu while a thrown rock will hurt Magellan the same way it would hurt Garp.
Garp was offered a position of Admiral and he's not even a Logia. The current pattern is a Logia fruit user but that doesn't mean the pattern wouldn't be broken.
Did you not see Aokiji jump about a couple hundred metres up just to freeze two massive waves caused by WB?Quote:
Admirals are equally strong. They are best marine fighters. In terms of pure strenght and fighting ability they are the same- some of people are saying that Aokiji is weakest because he wasnt able to overpower Ace but we must remember that Ace is his natural enemy. He is person that took down Diamond Jozu and its very impressive- third division commander was able to throw gigant iceberg at gigants squad and Aokiji won with that someone.
Last edited by vagabond87; August 08, 2010 at 12:59 PM.
IMO Magellan is (power-wise) suited to be an Admiral, but whether he's strong enough for the job or not it doesn't matter if the WG/Marines don't let him leave ID.
Another thing, Admirals can't just be powerful fighters, they also have to be able to lead. Yeah, the current Admirals don't seem to be good leaders (lazy, senile, angry), but they had to have some knowledge of commanding fleets of battleships and stuff since being an Admiral sometimes entails that. Magellan has none of that knowledge as far as we know (he was in ID since at least 20 years ago), so putting someone who's done Warden duties his entire career out on the sea would be a bit of a bad idea, no matter how strong he is.
I think Magellan would make a fine Admiral, but he doesn't belong to the Marine to start with... He is a prison guard. So, I don't think its possible.
Magellan's not going anywhere, he's the chief warden of ID and his ability suits that perfectly, his fruit is great, but not close enough to perfect to be an admiral, I mean, inside those small halls his Hydra would be perfect to keep things in order,cause there's no real escape, and that's that, he's a high level fighter,probably stronger than a few V.A, but he'd most surely die against Momonga,for instance.
You're dissecting his ability has a great thing overall,but let's face it, he just gets hitted around to much to be an Admiral, luffy's ability in general isn't great,he fights with his fists, if a guy with a similar speed to luffy, but with a more concluding offensive, like a sword, faced Magellan,he'd loose, c'mon,how's this even arguable? if luffy used a sword,he'd kill magellan, each ability's good against a few,and luffy and Ivankov weren't good matches against Magellan,that doesn't mean he's as strong as a R.A leader or even a 300 million rookie,it just depends on the ability he faces, a ranged enemy with decent speed would trash Magellan, and the thing about admirals is that they don't let a battle's fate rest on the abilities of the opponent, they're beasts against every fighter, Magellan isn't versitle enough to be an admiral,and that's a fact,the bars set on a insanely high level,and magellan doesn't meet that criteria not even one bit.
I call that bulls**t. Your assumption could be taken on every non logia fighter. Somebody with enough speed and enough damage output, may it be blunt or piercing, enough of both to win, would simply win. That's not a theory that's a simple fact. All you say is, that he just needs a good match-up, but so does every strong fighter to lose.
We saw Momonga fight in two or three panels and you already make him an uber fighter, needed nerfing. Mr.1 is fast too, can create swords all over his body and still, Magellan would own him badly. He is versatile, with great offense and defense, is good in ranged attacks as with directs ones and his ultimate weapon seems unstoppable. His gauntlets would let him defend against swords/etc. .Don't forget, we don't know how he lost to Blackbeard and his crew.
I'm not making blind assumptions, saying it's bulls*** and then saying that what I've said can be used against every non logia user is supposed to make what I said any less true? Tell me of a dude who's defeated someone faster and with more damage output than himself and then I'll tell you that it's true,I'm being simplistic!
Instead of going all that way to say I've said momonga is the coolest thing since sliced bread,just put a blade in luffy's hand,some control over it,and make him fight Magellan again, can you honestly say that Magellan'd win forsure? The sword would just raise luffy's damage output,going from seriously hurtful,to deadly! But it's just not luffy's kind of style, I know that if every character did the same thing,just add a pierce weapon to their arsenal,the story'd be dull,but guess what? there's swordsman who've been introduced, so that does exist, there are characters with a weapon that can kill when pierced by it, so that makes my theory plausible about Magellan not being suited for an admiral!
Now do the exact same thing that I told you to do with luffy and get him to face an admiral,by pure facts alone,could he defeat anyone of them? no he couldn't! add Haki to the equation,could he? No,he couldn't, all the admirals got haki,they can prefict ones movements to some point, hell! Aokiji got pierced by WBs bisento,and I think it's safe to assume WB's gotta be one of the best haki users around and he didn't get hurt,put magellan in his place,would Magellan be around standing?
Like it or not,it's true, simplistic logic or not,it IS true, Magellan does not have enough defensive versitality to be an admiral, and I used the Momonga reference because he apparently knows that same technique Lucci used (not sure of the name,so I won't try to spell it), so that does make him at least equal in speed to luffy, now instead of brute force,he uses a sword, replace luffy's fight at ID against magellan with a fight beetwen Momonga and Magellan,and let's not forget Momonga does know haki,so better perception of the opponents attacks, replace any attack luffy used on Magellan for a sword's pierce,can you honestly say Magellan'd be alive? no,you can't, can you honestly say momonga would be alive? you really can't. Now do the exact same thing with Momonga against any of the current admirals, can you say that Momonga would leave that place alive? he probably wouldn't,would any of the admirals? they probably would.
Get my point? Magellan's not on the admiral level,not by a long shot..
I wont write much, but I will not accept some beefed-up theory nor talk any further about someone we have barely seen. The Shanks vs Mihawk "fight"g is probably enough for all of my life. We have near to no info about him, nor have we seen him fight much against somebody, only once against Luffy, who was a lot weaker at the moment.
Keep in mind, I know he is extremely strong, he must be in the rank of a VA, has a lot of knowledge, can use haki, is a sword user, but that's it.
Give luffy a pircing weapon and I will stop reading the manga. Who wants to see a bloody Gomu-no-nail-kalaschnikov or Gomu-no-saw? Both of those attacks would simply kill enemies not fast enough. That thought is kida disturbing.
In before: I don't want Magellan to change his profession.
Can Momonga kill people without moving like Magellan does? No. Can he use a shield, that will simply kill on touch, nearly everybody in the OP world? No. Do we know if Magellan is capable of using haki? No. Does Magellan have to be fast for "his" fighting style? No, he doesn't, going against him is like commiting suicide, no it actually is. Only hormones and antidots kept those alive.
You can keep arguing with non provable arguments, it's open to you, but stating your fantasy fight as fact is a no-go for me. And damn, in the end, I still wrote that much.-_-
Last edited by Schabrak; August 12, 2010 at 05:30 PM.