Worst zanpakutou and other abilities in Bleach

[El Samurai Guapo]

I dunno if it's the worst shikai, but for bankai I have to say Komamura's Kokujyou Tengen Myouou. Held back by the sheer vastness of the conjured giant, its strikes are sluggish when you're in range,

That's false. The fight with Kaname showed us that there is no lag between Sajin's movements and Myou's. In other words, that thing does move incredibly fast for it's size. He managed to land a backhand on Hollowfied Kaname (who at that particular moment was pretty damn fast) which would have finished him were it not for the mask and HSR. Either way Kaname knew he was outclassed at that moment so he used his resureccion.

and it can't do a damn thing when you're out of its range, since next to its many deficiencies it's a purely melee zanpakuto as well.

Well or course it can't attack outside of it's huge range, but it's not like Sajin can't move either.

Worst thing of all, it provides the enemy with a huge as fuck target to hit, and all damage sustained transfers to the wielder?

The thing is, the damage that Komamura receives is proportional to the size of the wound the giant recieves. Most characters' attacks are barely large enough to cause anything more than a microscopic cut on KTM. Los Nueve Aspectos was a rare exception. Imagine if Sajin went up against Byakuya, who's cherry blossoms are barely able do lasting damage on stronger opponents. The petals (if they're even able to cut through KTM's armor) would create such microscopic cuts on Myou (and thereby Sajin) that they'd be virtually unnoticeable. Same goes for a dude like Kenpachi, in order to bring down Sajin he'd have to chip at KTM all day long while avoiding getting hit by any part of Myou ONCE.

And, come to think of it the giant's 'massive power' seems to be more of an informed ability, since most of the characters he's gone up against could stop it pretty easily.

Yeah? I wonder who exactly were those measly characters that managed to stop KTM... Ah yes, it was Aizen, hax resureccion Kaname, and Aizen again, that's who.

[Takahashi]

That's false. The fight with Kaname showed us that there is no lag between Sajin's movements and Myou's. In other words, that thing does move incredibly fast for it's size. He managed to land a backhand on Hollowfied Kaname (who at that particular moment was pretty damn fast) which would have finished him were it not for the mask and HSR. Either way Kaname knew he was outclassed at that moment so he used his resureccion.



Well or course it can't attack outside of it's huge range, but it's not like Sajin can't move either.



The thing is, the damage that Komamura receives is proportional to the size of the wound the giant recieves. Most characters' attacks are barely large enough to cause anything more than a microscopic cut on KTM. Los Nueve Aspectos was a rare exception. Imagine if Sajin went up against Byakuya, who's cherry blossoms are barely able do lasting damage on stronger opponents. The petals (if they're even able to cut through KTM's armor) would create such microscopic cuts on Myou (and thereby Sajin) that they'd be virtually unnoticeable. Same goes for a dude like Kenpachi, in order to bring down Sajin he'd have to chip at KTM all day long while avoiding getting hit by any part of Myou ONCE.



Yeah? I wonder who exactly were those measly characters that managed to stop KTM... Ah yes, it was Aizen, hax resureccion Kaname, and Aizen again, that's who.

Holy shit! Someone defending Komamura! Well said.

People often forget that his opponents have been insanely powerful.

-Hit by high level Kido from Aizen himself, and up in a minute, without need for healing

-Recieves massive hole in his chest from the only Shinigami ressurection we've ever seen

-Shakes off the hole in his chest and goes after Aizen, and he took TWO strikes to bring down, yet high tier Shinigami with minor injuries were dropped in one

He's seriously underrated.

[Hystzen]

Holy shit! Someone defending Komamura! Well said.

People often forget that his opponents have been insanely powerful.

-Hit by high level Kido from Aizen himself, and up in a minute, without need for healing

-Recieves massive hole in his chest from the only Shinigami ressurection we've ever seen

-Shakes off the hole in his chest and goes after Aizen, and he took TWO strikes to bring down, yet high tier Shinigami with minor injuries were dropped in one

He's seriously underrated.

there are alot us koma fans

i always wondered as there is no time lag in his movements with his giant...if koma could flashstep would his giant also follow??

koma had the hole in his stomach then sliced hand of then still went after Aizen shows how much a berserker he is . he could outtank kenpachi and most characters easily i believe.. i think koma is in the hitsu byakuya bracket of captains...not bottom like most people assume.

like pointed out it course he fought uber strong enemies people assume he weak

[BlackHair]

I hate everything hypnosis related in any kind of storytelling, that is in Bleach Aizen ability.

I also hate: mirror reflection, tiny almost invincible wires, shape shifting and mind/body control, which can be also linked to hypnosis. These overused abilities are just plain ass boring and imho bad/too easy storytelling. Not to mention that in most cases these abilities are just too hax.

[Baromirek]

I hate Zangetsu. Not Old-Man Zangetsu, or Tensa, or even Hollow Ichigo with Zangetsu, but the way Ichigo uses it. We've seen how powerful he could be with it (Hollow+Zangetsu wielding it), but he hasn't ever come close to using it as well as he could. I understand that Kubo wanted Ichigo to have an overpowering type of sword, but it just becomes tiring to watch over and over, and GT was ineffective 80% of the time. FGT was better, but still just a powerup to a one-trick pony. He either needs to use it better, or gain an actual power with it.

Most of the VCs' shikais are worthless. The only good ones are Hisagi's, Kira's, and maybe Renji's. Rukia's is good, just not against people that know what to expect.

I like most of the captains' shikias and bankais, exception being Komamura. I know, it's actually pretty good, he just got overpowered by Aizen and Tosen, but i just don't like it for some reason. Everyone else has pretty awesome abilities.

We haven't seen much of the Vizard shikais or bankais, but the ones we have seen are pretty good.

KS is one of my favorites. I know, its overpowered hax that nobody can or did win against (except Gin). But still, it's just badass. Isn't that just like Aizen to mindf*** everyone? If it were less powerful, it would be better, but the story would lose something IMO.

[ceasar]

That's false. The fight with Kaname showed us that there is no lag between Sajin's movements and Myou's. In other words, that thing does move incredibly fast for it's size. He managed to land a backhand on Hollowfied Kaname (who at that particular moment was pretty damn fast) which would have finished him were it not for the mask and HSR. Either way Kaname knew he was outclassed at that moment so he used his resureccion.



Well or course it can't attack outside of it's huge range, but it's not like Sajin can't move either.



The thing is, the damage that Komamura receives is proportional to the size of the wound the giant recieves. Most characters' attacks are barely large enough to cause anything more than a microscopic cut on KTM. Los Nueve Aspectos was a rare exception. Imagine if Sajin went up against Byakuya, who's cherry blossoms are barely able do lasting damage on stronger opponents. The petals (if they're even able to cut through KTM's armor) would create such microscopic cuts on Myou (and thereby Sajin) that they'd be virtually unnoticeable. Same goes for a dude like Kenpachi, in order to bring down Sajin he'd have to chip at KTM all day long while avoiding getting hit by any part of Myou ONCE.



Yeah? I wonder who exactly were those measly characters that managed to stop KTM... Ah yes, it was Aizen, hax resureccion Kaname, and Aizen again, that's who.

Wow when you put it like that koma may be stronger than we think he has only lost to Aizen and Tousen and I guess so would have a majority of the other captains. I guess because we have seen koma get beaten so often we thought he was weak.

[thornofcarrion]

We are getting little side-tracked. The thread is about having Worst Zanpakutou and other abilities. Lets not discuss power-levels or battles here. It will be fine if you want to use them as reference, but nothing too deep. Thanks .

[Takahashi]

Wow when you put it like that koma may be stronger than we think he has only lost to Aizen and Tousen and I guess so would have a majority of the other captains. I guess because we have seen koma get beaten so often we thought he was weak.

Tengen's backhand was enough to convince me that Komamura is the top in the power department. Plus, he's a wolf, that's just awesome.

As far as worst abilities, Gonryōmaru. Rapiers suck.

Itegumo is a close second for worst. Having two extra blades at 45 degree angles? Yumichika's crap version of his Shikai is better.

[shinsengumi]

i cant believe nobody mentioned soi-fon's bankai so far . a rocket launcher ??!! yea right ...

[Hystzen]

i cant believe nobody mentioned soi-fon's bankai so far . a rocket launcher ??!! yea right ...

a rocket launcher that is powerfull..just seems random because soi fon has it..if ukitake pulled that out as his bankai i think people wont be bothered..but because soi fon is known for speed it seemed out place

[Takahashi]

a rocket launcher that is powerfull..just seems random because soi fon has it..if ukitake pulled that out as his bankai i think people wont be bothered..but because soi fon is known for speed it seemed out place

Not just powerful, but the only explosion in all of Bleach that actually causes enough of a shockwave to THROW Shinigami all over the damn place. Explosions are so overused in this manga they're often underwhelming, Soi Fon's sure as hell wasn't

I also think it's great that it doesn't fit her character and that she dislikes the form her Zan takes, in the same way Yumichika's ability is awesome despite him being ashamed of it.

[UchihaHunter]

I guess the worst zanpaktou so far would be Omaeda's...at least other melee-types like Zabimaru have multiple abilities; his is just a fail flail. Ikkaku's comes a close second, but its bankai makes it badass

I think the most disappointing to me has to be Tengen though. You've got something larger than a lot of buildings (at least in FKT), and the most it can do is break an arm...of someone that wasn't physically powerful before hollowfication. Putting this into perspective; Ichigo fought Kenpachi and took a couple of slashes, even clashed with Kenpachi when Kenpachi didn't have his eyepatch on. Tousen's one of my favorite characters, but he got two-shotted by Kenpachi with his eyepatch on. For him to go from that to tanking attacks from KTM would mean either that his hollowfication is ridiculously powerful or that KTM simply isn't that powerful. It sucks that Komamura has only fought against Tousen and Aizen (the Fraccion was a freaking Fraccion, Hisagi pwned his just with his shikai), but until he fights and beats a reasonably powerful opponent, he's basically the fodder captain, lol...big and tough, but not powerful enough to really do anything...

[Takahashi]

I think the most disappointing to me has to be Tengen though. You've got something larger than a lot of buildings (at least in FKT), and the most it can do is break an arm...of someone that wasn't physically powerful before hollowfication.

All it can do is break an arm? http://www.mangareader.net/94-41609-...apter-385.html

^That's JUST a broken arm to you?

Putting this into perspective; Ichigo fought Kenpachi and took a couple of slashes, even clashed with Kenpachi when Kenpachi didn't have his eyepatch on. Tousen's one of my favorite characters, but he got two-shotted by Kenpachi with his eyepatch on. For him to go from that to tanking attacks from KTM would mean either that his hollowfication is ridiculously powerful or that KTM simply isn't that powerful. It sucks that Komamura has only fought against Tousen and Aizen (the Fraccion was a freaking Fraccion, Hisagi pwned his just with his shikai), but until he fights and beats a reasonably powerful opponent, he's basically the fodder captain, lol...big and tough, but not powerful enough to really do anything...

His fist was enough to DESTROY a Vaizards arm. What do you think would happen if the SWORD connected?

[UchihaHunter]

I've said this before, but if you hit someone with something the size of a building...I'm expecting more than a busted arm *shrug*

And then, after resurrection, the thing's sword was cracked and KTM itself was one-shotted...Tousen was still tiny compared to it, and we can infer that Tousen wasn't even experienced with the form, considering how delighted he was to see. So basically...he gets pwned by inexperienced resurrection, and does superficial damage to Vaizard Tousen. I'm sorry, we all saw it took two Kenpachi slashes to pwn Tousen; are we saying that putting that mask on raised his durability THAT much? Obviously his hollow abilities were different from the other Vaizards, but really? That's like Krillin going Super Saiya-jin or something.

I know you guys like Komamura, but come on; the thing's the size of Godzilla and it busted an arm.

[g0dzax]

First of all,the worst zanpakutou is without a doubt Omaeda's.Unless it has some hidden special ability which we've yet to see.