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    Itachi "Genjutsu Sharingan" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    A friend gave me that idea during a conversation back them...

    Itachi is better on Genjutsu. He can use a Genjutsu from just a finger, etc.
    Sasuke is better on Ninjutsdu, having techniques like Kirin, etc.

    As such, Sasuke is better at the Sharingan ninjutsu (Amaterasu) than Itachi. Sasuke can use Amaterasu to an extend Itachi couldn't, moving it at his will, etc.

    (Now, each eye of the Sharing has an technique. One is Amaterasu, the other is Tsukuyomi. In other words, one is the "Ninjutsu" eye, and the another is the "Genjutsu" eye. And this would explain why the eye position of them is switched, much like being right-handed, etc.)

    Sasuke seemed to form an "Amaterasu Sasuno'o" at some point. And his Susano'o also seems more darker toned than Itachi's. On the other hand, Itachi's Amaterasu has an "Genjutsu sword". In other words, Sasuke has an "Ninjutsu Susano'o" and Itachi the "Genjutsu Susano'o".

    What do you think?
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    Re: Itachi "Genjustu Sharing" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    You make some real sense with this because this is something that I've always felt was the case, but never bothered to really focus in on the subject.

    Itachi is the manga's king fish for Genjutsu use.

    Let's focus on some of Itachi's tricks:

    1 -- Itachi created a genjutsu kage bunshin that Sasuke destroyed inside that dark cave they fought in. When Sasuke destroyed it, it immediately delivered a genjutsu message to Sasuke.

    2 -- Itachi created a Tsukyomi Kage Bunshin during his and Sasuke's fight at the Uchiha Hideout. Sasuke infused his shuriken with Chidori, so that it would cut through Itachi's Kage Bunshin, but the moment Itachi's Kage Bunshin was destroyed, it immediately triggered a Tsukyomi that begun to attack Sasuke.

    3 -- There was even the amazing Genjutsu that was triggered with just his finger.

    4 -- There's also Susanoo's incredible sealing technique that forever traps the target in a blissful, dream-like genjutsu for all eternity.

    5 -- There's also the fact that Itachi's Tsukyomi was particularly special, in that he could make the illusion feel like it was 3 days when only a single second passed in the real world.

    Yep, Itachi, it seems, was particularly well gifted in the area of genjutsu and gained special abilities in that area that simply no other shinobi we know of matches.

    Now, obviously this doesn't mean that Itachi doesn't possess many other skills, but you can certainly see a major alignment towards a particular specialty with regards to his character.

    Uchiha Madara? If this person with the mask truly is Uchiha Madara, then his trademark specialty to me looks to be Space-Time Ninjutsu.

    1 -- He can allow any kind of attack to just pass through him, or he can walk through any object, even barriers.

    2 -- He can use space-time ninjutsu with no summoning tattoos or seals, and he can do this over massively long distances as well.

    3 -- He can warp people using space-time ninjutsu into his Sharingan where they end up in some weird in between dimension.

    I suspect some of his other Mangekyou Techniques, perhaps even his Susanoo had Space-Time capabilities as well.

    Sasuke's specialty is very obviously the black flames of Amaterasu.

    1 -- He can perform shape manipulation on the black flames.

    2 -- He practically created a new, more powerful fire element with Enton Amaterasu that he can wield just as any shinobi can use their fire elemental attacks. It's no longer just about looking at a spot and flames appearing there. He now has a versatility with Amaterasu's flames that no other Uchiha, much less shinobi, has ever possessed.

    So, when Sasuke gets the chance to show off his new monstrous EMS power-up, I think the thing that we'll end up coming away most impressed with is the range of incredible ways that he can utilize Amaterasu.

    Here are some ideas. Beyond combining it with Susanoo like we saw him do before, he'll be able to use the black flames similar to how Gaara uses his sand to protect himself. but he won't make an entire fighting style around it. He'll just showcase the capability to use it to protect himself in such a way.

    You know the Uchiha's trademark grand fireball technique? Sasuke will be able to perform that technique using Amaterasu's flames, only it will, of course, be on an entirely different scale. His Susanoo will also have something about it that ties it to Susanoo.

    I also wouldn't be very surprised to see him create an Amaterasu bunshin. Not a Kage Bunshin, not a normal bunshin, but a whole new specialty clone technique that uses Amaterasu's black flames at the core.
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    Re: Itachi "Genjustu Sharing" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    I was under the same impression before Sasuke even got the MS (that it would be ninjutsu oriented). Though, I took it as far as thinking he'd have completely different jutsu, as we didn't know that the MS grants you the same jutsu back then.

    Though, this begs the question: where did Shisui's eye get the power to control people's minds? Is he a Genjutsu specialist like Itachi? And did he even have the Mangekyou Sharingan? As far as we all know, basic Sharingan doesn't allow one any unique abilities outside of the base Sharingan powers.

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    Re: Itachi "Genjustu Sharing" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    I always thought this as well. Which is why I believe that Sasuke EMS will be legendary.
    Both brothers will become one. Notice how that statue Itachi showed Sasuke has 4 eyes, and Susanno has at least 3 arms and 4 eyes.
    I believe that Sasuke WILL gain Yata's Mirror and the the Genjutsu Sword. If not. Oh well, I can deal.

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    Re: Itachi "Genjustu Sharing" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    Quote Originally Posted by SenninSage View Post
    You make some real sense with this because this is something that I've always felt was the case, but never bothered to really focus in on the subject.

    Itachi is the manga's king fish for Genjutsu use.

    Let's focus on some of Itachi's tricks:

    1 -- Itachi created a genjutsu kage bunshin that Sasuke destroyed inside that dark cave they fought in. When Sasuke destroyed it, it immediately delivered a genjutsu message to Sasuke.

    2 -- Itachi created a Tsukyomi Kage Bunshin during his and Sasuke's fight at the Uchiha Hideout. Sasuke infused his shuriken with Chidori, so that it would cut through Itachi's Kage Bunshin, but the moment Itachi's Kage Bunshin was destroyed, it immediately triggered a Tsukyomi that begun to attack Sasuke.

    3 -- There was even the amazing Genjutsu that was triggered with just his finger.

    4 -- There's also Susanoo's incredible sealing technique that forever traps the target in a blissful, dream-like genjutsu for all eternity.

    5 -- There's also the fact that Itachi's Tsukyomi was particularly special, in that he could make the illusion feel like it was 3 days when only a single second passed in the real world.

    Yep, Itachi, it seems, was particularly well gifted in the area of genjutsu and gained special abilities in that area that simply no other shinobi we know of matches.

    Now, obviously this doesn't mean that Itachi doesn't possess many other skills, but you can certainly see a major alignment towards a particular specialty with regards to his character.

    Uchiha Madara? If this person with the mask truly is Uchiha Madara, then his trademark specialty to me looks to be Space-Time Ninjutsu.

    1 -- He can allow any kind of attack to just pass through him, or he can walk through any object, even barriers.

    2 -- He can use space-time ninjutsu with no summoning tattoos or seals, and he can do this over massively long distances as well.

    3 -- He can warp people using space-time ninjutsu into his Sharingan where they end up in some weird in between dimension.

    I suspect some of his other Mangekyou Techniques, perhaps even his Susanoo had Space-Time capabilities as well.

    Sasuke's specialty is very obviously the black flames of Amaterasu.

    1 -- He can perform shape manipulation on the black flames.

    2 -- He practically created a new, more powerful fire element with Enton Amaterasu that he can wield just as any shinobi can use their fire elemental attacks. It's no longer just about looking at a spot and flames appearing there. He now has a versatility with Amaterasu's flames that no other Uchiha, much less shinobi, has ever possessed.

    So, when Sasuke gets the chance to show off his new monstrous EMS power-up, I think the thing that we'll end up coming away most impressed with is the range of incredible ways that he can utilize Amaterasu.

    Here are some ideas. Beyond combining it with Susanoo like we saw him do before, he'll be able to use the black flames similar to how Gaara uses his sand to protect himself. but he won't make an entire fighting style around it. He'll just showcase the capability to use it to protect himself in such a way.

    You know the Uchiha's trademark grand fireball technique? Sasuke will be able to perform that technique using Amaterasu's flames, only it will, of course, be on an entirely different scale. His Susanoo will also have something about it that ties it to Susanoo.

    I also wouldn't be very surprised to see him create an Amaterasu bunshin. Not a Kage Bunshin, not a normal bunshin, but a whole new specialty clone technique that uses Amaterasu's black flames at the core.
    um the thing about tobi is wrong and has not yet bet proven. you said that his space time jutsu is a MS tech but he uses it with just a 3 tomoe sharigan and for all we know it might have nothing to do with his sharigan.

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    Re: Itachi "Genjustu Sharing" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    Hmm, it may be that each Uchiha family has different techniques?

    Itachi and Sasuke have what we have seen the most through the series. Sasuke more based on Ninjutsu, and Itachi on Genjutsu.

    Obito leads to the Kamui (Mangekyou). Madara also has time space jutsus (unknow if it's the Mangekyou).

    Shisui has mind manipulation power (without the Mangekyou).
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    um the thing about tobi is wrong and has not yet bet proven. you said that his space time jutsu is a MS tech but he uses it with just a 3 tomoe sharigan and for all we know it might have nothing to do with his sharigan.
    It may not be an MS tech, but having all of these Space-Time ninjutsu related abilities makes it pretty clear to me where his specialty lies.

    He can walk through a barrier like it's nothing. He can make it so that any attack can pass right through his body. He can use high level space-time ninjutsu to travel massive distances with no seals or summoning tattoos. He can warp multiple enemies into his own Space-Time Dimension in his eyes.

    Even if it isn't tied to his MS, his Sharingan is still very obviously heavily tilted towards Space-Time Ninjutsu. And I find it very hard to believe that a single normal 3 tomei Sharingan could be capable of all of this.

    Notice how we haven't always seen his Sharingan the very moment when he performs these techniques?

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    Re: Itachi "Genjustu Sharing" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    Quote Originally Posted by SenninSage View Post
    Notice how we haven't always seen his Sharingan the very moment when he performs these techniques?
    Hmm, yeah, maybe you are right about that... the fact that it has been hide kind of point on that direction. But it's weird, since we have seen already a younger Madara Mangekyou shape.
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    Re: Itachi "Genjutsu Sharingan" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    If we are talking about their mastery of each is really difficult to say. Having a 5 at them is enough to tell me that they could be as dangerous as each other with both. Who has a better what is a matter of opinion. Itachi also master suiton moves that compete with kakashi's. Too bad there weren't any water sources in his fight with sasuke. Else he wouldn't have to need amaterasu to push back sasuke flame. So I just say every uchiha is unique. Tbh they are all balance in tai, gen and nin. But each with their own preference and use whatever they feel appropriate at such situation. I think in the manga sasuke found out that you can control amaterasu using tsukuyomi. I believe this is the mean he use to form amaterasu at his will. The fact that itachi knows/ had attempted this is unknown.

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    Re: Itachi "Genjutsu Sharingan" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    The only thing that for me links the warping of S-T with Tobi's eye is that it always spirals into his right eye. Though it's never shown up close as the vortex is happening. But, maybe part of having EMS is that it's much easier to activate (not causing the user to bleed from the eye, etc.), or it simply could be that Tobi has had many more years to perfect the jutsu and so can perform it in an instant. Just look at how fast Kakashi is with his hand signing vs. others.

    Since one eye of the MS has been shown to be the bearer of a ninjutsu and the other a genjutsu, why wouldn't the new one be a S-T jutsu? The normal sharingan grants its weilder greater intuition into taijutus, that completes the the trinity of the three primary schools of ninja training. Leaving only sealing jutsu and space-time jutsu. And since some sort of a written contract is needed to perform a sealing jutsu, to me it can only be that the last remaining jutsu gained by EMS is a space-time jutsu.

    I do find it interesting though that Shishu's jutsu was not said to be a MS or EMS jutsu, but a simple sharingan one. Yet it was sought after by both Danzo and Tobi. As well as Izanagi being a simple sharingan jutsu. Perhaps there are more jutsu available to the owner of Sharingan eyes then is currently documented and acknowledged. Maybe its just a plot hole never to be expanded upon.

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    Re: Itachi "Genjutsu Sharingan" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hojinmaru View Post
    The only thing that for me links the warping of S-T with Tobi's eye is that it always spirals into his right eye. Though it's never shown up close as the vortex is happening. But, maybe part of having EMS is that it's much easier to activate (not causing the user to bleed from the eye, etc.), or it simply could be that Tobi has had many more years to perfect the jutsu and so can perform it in an instant.
    The fact that Madara does not bleed from the eyes could be the effect of Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. We know for a fact that Madara does have EMS. The bleeding that Itachi/Sasuke experienced could very likely be due to the physical damage that Mangekyou Sharingan / Amaterasu does to the eyes, which ultimately causes blindness.

    Members of the Uchiha clan that have EMS no longer have to worry about going blind, so they can use their abilities without restriction.

    We'll know if this is the case, since Sasuke now possesses EMS. If his eyes do not bleed when using EMS/Amaterasu anymore, then it would be confirmed. If it were, then I say it's extremely likely that Madara's abilities are due to his EMS.

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    Re: Itachi "Genjutsu Sharingan" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    that's what I was implying, you're not telling me anything I didn't already know.

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    Re: Itachi "Genjutsu Sharingan" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    ^ Gotcha. I don't know what you know, nor had I actually thought about it EMS and the bleeding eyes or read it before, so I wrote it down.

    But why wouldn't Danzo or Madara want Shisui's sharingan? He could control people's minds, which seems to be an ability unique to him. It makes sense that they would want his eyes. If it was simply an ability that any sharingan user could use...then well, the Uchiha clan would have no doubt controlled Konoha without having to fight, wouldn't they?

    And I don't remember Izanagi. Is that the one that lets the user make anything a reality for a short period of time before blinding them forever?

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    Re: Itachi "Genjutsu Sharingan" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    Did you read what I said at all? I said both Tobi & Danzo wanted it

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    Re: Itachi "Genjutsu Sharingan" - Sasuke "Ninjutsu Sharingan"

    Quote Quote:
    I do find it interesting though that Shishu's jutsu was not said to be a MS or EMS jutsu, but a simple sharingan one. Yet it was sought after by both Danzo and Tobi.
    Yes, you said that they both wanted it, but you referred to it as a simple sharingan jutsu. It wasn't confirmed to be MS or EMS, but a simple jutsu? If it was "simple" then everyone who had sharingan could use it. It was something unique to him, which made it far from "simple".

    And "why wouldn't they want it" was more rhetorical way to say "of course they would want it."
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