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Thread: Baraggan vs Kaname Tousen

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    Baraggan vs Kaname Tousen

    I was wondering if Tosen actually could do something against Barragan's respira ability.

    I think his bankai would be pretty much useless, because it doesn't really matter if Barragan can see his opponent or not, since he is able to spray respira in every direction (as can be seen vs Hacchi's first kido), but could Tosen's resurrection be powerful enough to cause any damage on Barragan?

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    He gets decayed long before he can do anything. Against Barragon the only real way to win is to be damn fast and have an ability that can work though the aging, some way to redirect the respiera, or at least have some possible way to block it (And frankly all possible options for that are completely arguable now that Kido's out the window). Tousen doesn't really cover either option from what's shown. Unless Barragon's a blooming moron and you manage to take him unreleased.

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    I don't remember Tosen ever being shown slow though, much less in the full-body mask form and the insect resurrection afterwards.

    And I actually can imagine that those sound-shockwaves whatever could possibly redirect/counter a respira attack. This is merely my opinion, but I don't think sound can age..(?)
    Either way even if he could redirect it, he'd need some offence feats which could do something to Barragan, but apart from that sound thingy I cannot think of anything
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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    nice match up, im a little bit of a fan of tousen but thats not affecting my opinion. yes, respira can age almost anything but in this case i think grilla grillos main attack, the nine aspects is going to win this imeditly for tousen. imo this attack has no physical form that can be aged, it seems pressure based and that it might even be able to blow respira right out of the way. not to mention it should be enough to near kill barragan based on the total destruction of komamuras bankai.

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    He's not slow in his mask form, but he can't do crap in that state. The bug thing got blindsided by blooming Hisagi and has no real feats of speed however. While I would possibly agree that that attack of his might redirect it, the problem is it appears to have a charge time (When those ripples in the hands start). Respira is too damn fast for that.

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    How about Tosen just shunpo/sonidos away while 'charging'?
    And... what happend to Tosen in the fight vs Komamura/Hisagi is an emotional thing, I think it's nothing wrong with just leaving out that part I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be that carelessly caugh in speeches when fighting Barragan or any other Espada (as against Gj).
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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    Can that thing shunpo? Or is it sonido? Or does it just fly around? The hell does it do?

    Having only had that thing for a chapter before it was killed off, the parameters for it aren't exactly clear.

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    tousen is quick look how much distance he closed when shinji attacked aizen.tousen is damn fast but not sure if he has any anti-respira moves under his belt.

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    Tousen's quick yes. Especially his vizard form. The fly thing though? No idea, though it clearly didn't look like it.

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    I don't think it'd make sense tousen's resurreccion was in any way slower than his masked form. That would be strange IMO. I think los nueve aspectos would work here though. IMO the attack could repel respira to a great extent and even reach barragan.

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    Oh well. If Tosen is able to use sonido in masked form why then wouldn't he be able to use it in resurrected form? The fact that he didn't use it doesn't necessarily prove he can't. I actually believe non of the Espada ever used sonido in resurrection, but saying they can't would be just wrong
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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    i think in his release form he knew his oppenants and knew he didnt need to speed rape them..he just went to koma crushed him ..then forgot about hisagi..i loved the tousen fight was brill n good ending.

    Tousen is fast but the question suppose is his sound waves able to push respira quick enugh to affect barragan..and barragan also fast..i see it as a draw

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    ^sry bro, no draw option This be a dead or alive battle >.>

    Anyways, Omaeda's comment on Sui Feng's being too slow for respira meaning non of the soul society being fast enough to escape from it.. does that include Tosen, Gin and Aizen as well I wonder..
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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    damn no draw

    really cant call it took close.

    i posted a thread while ago n people thort i was crazy thinking that barragan can kill Aizen (no ks rule)...i stand by that barragan could kill Aizen easily.

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    yeah barragan is fast for a skull n cape...soi fon was screwed against him really hachi at the time is only able to beat him apart from Yamma shikai. that how hax barragan is...barragan wins at moment to me

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    Re: Barragan vs Tosen Kaname

    It doesn't matter for Barragan that his opponent is fast. If you can't reach him, you can't kill him. He can just keep a shroud of 'death' around him like when he rots buildings, so Tousen can't approach. It also doesn't matter that he can blow back the cloud. Hacchi-gen deduced it correctly: Barragan's outside is protected so there is not a lot Tousen can do by blowing it back.

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