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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Problem with Kamui is he can't keep it up for more then 5 minutes and with that many people around the chances of him getting hit into a blind spot while it isn't active are pretty high.
Edo Madara on the other hand can just drop a bunch of meteors, kill everything in a matter of seconds and then he takes out whatever remained alive just like the kages.
That would kill off everything else, but Edo Madara would just regenerate and then its Naruto vs. Madara 1vs1... and I don't see Naruto winning that, since he doesn't even have a sealing tech.Quote:
Madara's meteor could be bad, since Obito would dodge it by being intangible, sweep in and teleport him with Kamui when he's reforming
2 words: Madara stomps.
^ By last chapter, actually Madara has a bit of catching up:
tanking Juubi's version of Bijuudama and shooting 5 bijuudamas at the same time puts Naruto even higher than he already was with Bijuu Mode.
With Kurama's insight he has also a giant boost in intelligence
The Juubi actually curbstomps everyone.
The Juubi isn't a character though, he's a summon! Summons don't have souls...
Pa's death and revival proves you wrong. Juubi might not a soul though, actually. But summons like frogs, snakes, and dogs do.
Still, Juubi exists, thus it should count. And if it counts, it demolishes everything. Unless it's one on one against Rikudou Sennin, I don't see Rikudou Sennin beating it... unless everyone does combine to fight the biggest threat.
He was kidding about summons not having souls.
That said, who do we consider the "owner" of Juubi? Obito or Madara? Either way Madara still wins, but the Juubi is a definite boon in a battle.
Nonsense, there's no such thing as joking on the internet.
I think we should wait, cuz I find it odd that the Juubi can be controlled. If that's the case, then why did Rikudou Sennin split it instead of training his sons to control the Juubi? Or get someone to do it?
But probably I should have attached "especially that damn Kyuubi ginger" to make it obvious even for the Narutos
It also strikes me as odd how Madara and Tobi are just standing on the Juubi like its some kind of Gamabunta... I would have either expected they would use some seal to suck it into Madaras body like the ghostbusters do it with their traps, or that they would try to genjutsu it and fail... but them just riding on it is unexpected indeedOriginally Posted by M3J
Last edited by LnDRash; November 22, 2012 at 08:19 PM.
Unexpected? Tobi and madara have been controlling the mazo for how many years. That's the trick for having hashirama's DNA. They can control the juubi with ease.
The Mazou was basically sleeping though, it wasn't called "the Juubi's empty shell" for no reason. I would assume that in its awakened state it would posses a will and consciousness of its own, which given its nature shouldn't be easy to surpress. Kyuubi introduced that thing pretty much as a god after all.
And I have to disagree, Hashirama doesn't deserve all the credit for this, since its not solely due to Hashiramas DNA. Its through the power of the six paths, aka. Senju+Uchiha powers combined i.e Rinnegan, which Hashirama never possessed. Madaras own powers play just as much role in this as Hashiramas.
Last edited by LnDRash; November 22, 2012 at 08:18 PM.
Maybe not maybe yes. But obito who haven't the rinnegan can even control the mazou/juubi. And hashirama's DNA is solely the reason for that. Maybe any uchiha who got hashirama's DNA can control the juubi/mazou. So yeah, hashirama deserve that much credit. His DNA can make any uchiha to a god level ninja.
"Hashiramas DNA can turn any Uchiha to a god level ninja."
And why only Uchihas and not Kiba & Tenten? Answer is: Because the Uchihas power is just as important. Its 50/50... both are equally required. Or why else do you think that all those guys like Danzou, Orochimaru and Kabuto where going after both, Senju and Uchiha powers?
Madara's sharingan is just limited to evolve to ems. That's the limit of his power. But adding hashirama's DNA makes him to become more powerful than he was. His ems isn't nowhere in the same level of his rinnegan. He simply become a god because of hashirama's DNA. So with that, hashirama must deserve much more credit. It maybe a 50/50 power of senju and uchiha, but in madara's cased, hashirama doubled/tripled his power. And the fact that madara and hashirama aren't really equal as a ninja.
The thing is, I never said hashirama's power is the sole requirements for controlling the juubi, I just said that hashirama's power/DNA is the trick why obito and madara had the ability to control the juubi. Why? Because of hashirama's DNA, madara was able to summon the mazou from the moon and obito, who doesn't have the rinnegan can even control/summon the mazou/juubi.
Well, to make the story short, hashirama's power got the 70% why madara/obito could summon/control the juubi.