Dead or not? [Warning: Contains Spoilers From Chapter 107+]

[wickedsmile]

THM Nindo:

From what I gathered, Chapter 109 does not reveal anything on Miria's condition, whether the Org has imprisoned or has killed her. The Ghosts have mounted an operation to find out what occured at Org. HQ. That's all we know at this point. A rescue operation often turns into a recovery operation, hopefully not in regards to Miria.

WS

[HegemonKhan]

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"evidence" for Miria's death:

1. Miria is presumably hacked to pieces to death, shown in chapter 107.
2. chapter 109 seems to unfortunately confirm this, through the scene of the calm and dialogue of/at the Organization HQs, as they say the "incident" has been dealt with.
3. Galatea says she no longer senses Miria's yoki, and bluntly says that Miria is probably dead in chapter 108.
4. Rubel's dialogue (his "cruel eulogy of Miria" speech) and body language (such as pulling down his hat, as presumably Miria is hacked to pieces with her severed arm/hand shown flying). ch 107
5. the "one" that the 5 Ghosts (+Dietrich) bring back could very well be RAKI, and not Miria.... as Galatea hoped in saying to them in ch 109
6. Deneve's been given the leadership role of the Ghosts firmly now, and I doubt that Yagi is going to have Miria alive and thus because it would cause the problem of "having two leaders" amongst the Ghosts (Miria: we do this plan. Deneve: No, we do this plan!). ch 109

"evidence" for Miria still being alive:

1. chapter 109 seems to suggest that Miria is alive and that the 5 Ghosts (+Dietrich) is going to try to rescue her.
2. we don't actually see Miria being "medically pronounced/shown killed", all we see is an arm/hand. So, for all we know, they could have sliced-cut up Miria, but not actually killed her. ch 107
3. Galatea not being able to sense Miria's yoki anymore can be explained easily and in many different ways too. ch 108
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-HK

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P.S.

as can be seen I am biased towards Miria indeed being dead, though I have truly tried to gather the "evidence" of Miria being alive as well, to be fair

but regardless, I can still miss "evidence" points, so if there's any "evidence" points that I missed that argues/supports for Miria still being alive, please share/post it!

[Joe7133]

As much as I don't want to say she is dead, but yes she is dead. Look at all the small fries taking their claymore and stabbing her. She talks about going to kill the Organization, but she was the one ending not killing. That was her downfall, all them little fries are little monster created by the Organization.

[HegemonKhan]

some people on other sites also have this opinion on the subject of Miria being brought back alive:

they want Miria to be alive, but doing so with how she was seemingly killed off, would be lame to now bring her back, and it's doubtful that it would be possible to think of a non-lame way to do it as well.

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basically they're saying that it was awful to kill Miria off the way she seemed to have been, but to bring her back after this, would be even MORE awful as it would be so lame to have her come back by some silly-lame way of surviving her seemingly being hacked to pieces to death. It would be pointless to bring Miria back now at this point, and would serve no point either.

[wickedsmile]

Someone on another site posted that Audrey rescued Miria. Recall that she has what Riful coined a "soft/gengle sword" that deflects the attacker's strike. It was unfounded since the individual reported that it would occur in Chapter 109. Obviously we did not see this in Chapter 109. After her rescue by Clare/Miria/Helen/Deneve, Audrey says that she will turn her sword against the Ghosts at their next encounter. A life debt is one that is not easily repaid. Could this be a plausible outcome or is it too "unsuported within the manga" to consider?

WS

[HegemonKhan]

that's an interesting idea! of having Audrey save Miria... (never thought of this, lol)

though, Miria did "cut down" both Audrey and Rachel as they were taking on Miria as an enemy, so I don't think they'd suddenly try to save Miria from being hacked to pieces...

but meh... it's interesting none the less, though I don't feel that it's that probable/likely, lol

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I still like my speculation better :P


Miria at sometime earlier found and chatted with Raftela, and she planned this with her.

Raftela actually mind-illusioned the Black Coats into seeing the Claymores hack Miria to pieces, when in reality Miria is very alive and well and chatting with the Claymores, inlcuding the trainee Awakening Twins, telling them all about the truth of the Organization's dark affairs...

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UNFORTUNATELY, for all the theories of Miria being alive, ch 109, to me, completely ruins them, as the Org is calm and the "incident" (Miria's attack) has been "handled/taken care of", which doesn't bode well for Miria being alive.... or having escaped..... (if Miria escaped... the Org would not be so calm... lol)

[Joe7133]

Here is something interesting on the 6 warrior headed to the Organization.

http://www.mangareader.net/485-58400...apter-109.html

If you look at the bottom off the page, it shows to be continue in January Issue. I guess chapter 110 was December.

For some of yall, Miria may still be a big ???

[wickedsmile]

It's just like Yagi to write such ambiguity. If you look at the end of chapter 107, you see the current generation warriors murder poor Miria. It's rather disheartening seeing her with a claymore through her abdomen. The fore arm that flies through the air does appear to have Miria's metal gauntlet.

However, if you look at the end of Chapter 109 where the remaining Ghosts and Dietrich head east, the side bar note states that they are going to the Organization to "Save Miria." I do believe that the warriors did kill her. If not, then I eagerly away the moment where Tabitha lands that right hook to Miria's jaw. If I recall correctly, Tabitha was on Miria's team during the Pieta invasion.

Someone on Animesuki forum posted a fan made depiction of her last moments. It showed that she had awakened, killed everyone and escaped. Speculate some more and we'll find out the truth in the next couple of months!!

ws

[Goral]

There is already a thread for that: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64167
And yours is one big spoiler. Not everyone that come to this forum have read 107th chapter already. Besides, we don't know that's she's really dead.

[Godeye_Galatea]

I really don't want to believe that Miria is dead. Though there is a huge percentage that she is. For me, she's too strong to die early. But still it is possible because she knows too much about the organization. Her death might be a way, in my opinion, to control the plot of the story.

But really! I don't want to believe she is DEAD! My heart will break if that happens!

Miria! Come back and do something awesome again!

[Alisia]

Audrey, in the list of war that was facing Miria was indebted to her. The possibilities of saving Miria whith her tecnique , "the elegant sword" that intercepts and push back the attacks were very high. So I wonder ...

Have Audrey rescue Miria??
And if that was severed arm of another claymore?

[Diablos]

From what I've seen in the manga I doubt that she's alive given the fact that the organization has 0 tolerance for traitors. The only way I figure we could see her again is if they made experiments on her at which point she would be also dead lol xD. The vibe I get from the organization is that if they could forgive they would've atleast forgave Teresa their best claymore in history..

There's also a chance that she was somehow rescued. But even so I have some doubts about it..

[rafael193]

She can be alive like Irene was.
In terms of story it makes more sense that she is actually dead.
From my point of view, miria made a lot of stuff that her personality would not do.
The reason for yagi kill her are not very clear
From my point of view she would do this:
. rescue or gather her friends
.do some discourse
.go phantom mode like she did when she was double checking the information given by the spie ( rubel) in the org; this way could avoid special warriors like number 10 – we never know and the mib are anything except dumb.
. catch the warriors by surprise – a couple of them
. assassinate all black men
. drink champagne?!
This is my miria and not that thing that I saw

[Ruhina]

So what are the chances that Miria is stille alive? When last I looked she was being chopped up to pieces. The current claymore's actions do suggest that she might be alive (for the sole purpose of plot). Maybe her dismembered self can help to release Clare from the cocoon.

[Godeye_Galatea]

With close observation and analysis of the manga, we can say that her chance is 50%. But for me, I'd say that she has a huge percentage of being alive! Maybe I'm not going to be fooled by a severed hand. But that part really left us very unsure which makes it superb.