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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    Izanagi is a bit more than just immortality. the way I see it, avoiding death in the way danzo and madara did is more of an application of izanagi not just its actual use. Also, susanoo was not presicely a summoning and it also had the capacity to seal things.
    Sussano sealed Oro only because Itachi gave him Totsuka sword...it's not sussano's ability.
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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Quote Originally Posted by Masterpice View Post
    Sussano sealed Oro only because Itachi gave him Totsuka sword...it's not sussano's ability.
    We don't know if the totsuka sword was a part of susanoo or not though. I would think it was an inherent part of susanoo considering the actual susanoo on which the technique was based also had that sword. Susanoo without having the items would not have anything to do with the creature on which it was based. Not so mention sasuke's susanoo also had a sword although he has yet to use it to seal anything. For all we know in narutoverse the leyend of the totsuka sword was also based on uchiha and rikudo.
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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck
    Izanagi is a bit more than just immortality. the way I see it, avoiding death in the way danzo and madara did is more of an application of izanagi not just its actual use. Also, susanoo was not presicely a summoning and it also had the capacity to seal things.

    I was just simplifying Izanagi when I said that. That's what I meant by just saying it's a "form" of immortality. Also, the Totsuka does have sealing abilities, but that's not exclusive to the Mangekyou Sharingan. It's something added to Itachi's Susanoo. I was thinking of new abilities that could arrise from MS mastery, since Izanami seems most like it would be a related jutsu to the other MS techniques.

    As for where the Totsuka came from, it's a legendary weapon, along with the Kusanagi sword that Orochimaru wields, and the Kagami shield that Itachi's Susanoo wields. Orochimaru heard of the weapon before he knew Itachi had it, meaning it was probably a legend far before they met. It's unlikey it originated from Itachi.
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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    We don't know if the totsuka sword was a part of susanoo or not though. I would think it was an inherent part of susanoo considering the actual susanoo on which the technique was based also had that sword. Susanoo without having the items would not have anything to do with the creature on which it was based. Not so mention sasuke's susanoo also had a sword although he has yet to use it to seal anything. For all we know in narutoverse the leyend of the totsuka sword was also based on uchiha and rikudo.
    IMO of course it's only something what Itachi added with Yata mirror...It couldn't be Sussano's part if Oro searched for this sword and he was surprised that itachi had it not sussano. Oro wouldn't search for this sword if it would be a part of sussano because then you would need sharingan to gain this sword and he would propably knew it..
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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    If there is a jutsu called Izanami then i fully expect it to be extremely powerful and i also expect it to be something that the Jubi could use, seeing as how it is the original source of the Sharingan and its powers.

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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Why would the sharingan have anything to do with the jubi though? Isn't sharingan more related to the rinnengan than the actual beasts? Anyways, if there is an izanami I can't imagine it being something that requires the power of the rikudo in a similar fashion to izanagi. Given that, I don't think this hypothetical jutsu would come from the jubi itself.
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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    Why would the sharingan have anything to do with the jubi though? Isn't sharingan more related to the rinnengan than the actual beasts? Anyways, if there is an izanami I can't imagine it being something that requires the power of the rikudo in a similar fashion to izanagi. Given that, I don't think this hypothetical jutsu would come from the jubi itself.
    The Jubi is the original source of the Sharingan. The Rinnegan and Rikudo simply watered down the Sharingan into "human" form. So the real power and origin of the Sharingan lies within the Jubi. Rikudo was just a filter and temporary container for all of that power.

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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    The Jubi is the original source of the Sharingan. The Rinnegan and Rikudo simply watered down the Sharingan into "human" form. So the real power and origin of the Sharingan lies within the Jubi. Rikudo was just a filter and temporary container for all of that power.
    That's pure speculation based on the visual appearance of the Juubi and doesn't hold any more evidence than that.

    Actually Kishimoto likes referring to myths, stories and religious symbols when coming up with names, but that doesn't necessarily means that he pictures all relations contained in them to a full extend. Right now I don't really think that there will be Izanami and that he only used Izanagi and his children because they were really suitable.
    Possibly (pure speculation) he came up with Amaterasu first as it already appeared way back in an early chapter during Jiraiya's meeting with Itachi and Kisame, and simply used that one specific name to express how powerful and "mystical" this skill is by naming it after a godess (Fire/Godess of Sun - clear relationship here). Afterwards, he might've come up with the other name based on pure coincidence when he decided to add more powers to the Sharingan and it proved to be suitable that Amaterasu has two siblings and a father.
    However, all I want to say is that Izanami doesn't have to be part of the overall concept.

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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    why couldn't this new form be the opposite to a dojutsu?think about it uchiha got the eyes and senju got the body,maybe just maybe minato being the strongest at this tech could not acheive this without the senju/uzumaki body.just a thought,i mean every time itachi or sasuke used MS techs"they were about to lose their eyesight",so why couldn't a senju have these same extreme techs?using heavy defensive summons and having big time offensive jutsus like amaterasu?i think this new form is the counter move to izanagi,i may be wrong with the deathgod thing but this is definitely the counter....eyes vs body uchiha vs senju

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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Based on Kishi's frequent references to Japanese Myths, I can see the possibility.
    At least Tsukumi from right and Amaterasu from left eye are consistent with the myth. Susano, according to myth, is said to have come/born from izanagi's nose, which doesn't match with the manga. I would rather go with different idea then to follow a well established myth in the society.
    Would be too much predictable if that were to happen, don't you think?
    Some references from myths definitely spice up the manga, if followed all the way, would be kinda lame. At least I don't want to see izanami somehow related to Sasuke.
    That will drop Manga rating for me.
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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    but you have to agree that naruto now has the form to fight the eyes;so to say.this is the ultimate counter to sharigan techs.....

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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    Why would the sharingan have anything to do with the jubi though? Isn't sharingan more related to the rinnengan than the actual beasts? Anyways, if there is an izanami I can't imagine it being something that requires the power of the rikudo in a similar fashion to izanagi. Given that, I don't think this hypothetical jutsu would come from the jubi itself.
    If you look at the juubi's eye. Its possible that it changed rinnegan like this. It would also explain the sharingans connection to the strongest of his split offs, being the kyuubi.
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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    To be honest, to a large extent I consider the actual origin of the sharingan to be obscure to some extent. It is quite evident at this point the sharingan spams from the rinnengan however that is not the same thing as saying it spams from the juubi. There could be a connection between sharingan and the jubi considering the jubi was actually sealed inside the rokudo though. Now, the obscure part would exactly what part the juubi or rokudo played in the development of the sharingan.
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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    Quote Originally Posted by gnut View Post
    why couldn't this new form be the opposite to a dojutsu?think about it uchiha got the eyes and senju got the body,maybe just maybe minato being the strongest at this tech could not acheive this without the senju/uzumaki body.just a thought,i mean every time itachi or sasuke used MS techs"they were about to lose their eyesight",so why couldn't a senju have these same extreme techs?using heavy defensive summons and having big time offensive jutsus like amaterasu?i think this new form is the counter move to izanagi,i may be wrong with the deathgod thing but this is definitely the counter....eyes vs body uchiha vs senju

    We haven't seen any senju tech, maybe because it is reserve for the "that jutsu" or they have no real special jutsu, just strong body, god strength, god speed, god reflex, godly learning by body and the like
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    Re: Will there be a jutsu called Izanami?

    I think that @ Hyuuga_Mugen you are correct. Izagani creates life into an illusion. It would seem the illusions would last for a few seconds That's why the sharingan eye closes but Izanami could use your ckakra to create an actual being of yourself not just an illusion.

    I don't think Izagani is the only technique used to create the biju. izanagi and izagami are the gods of creation together they created life. Tobi probably just told us half the story like when how he only said it was a forbidden Uchiha technique when actually its a Uchiha technique that can only can only be used when their is senju cells being used.

    Genjutsu is a scaled version of Izagani while the water dragon jutsu is a scaled down version of Izanami
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