What will the remaining MS techniques be called?

[Jack Van Burace]

I think Izanagi is indeed a step beyond Genjutsu, making an illusion (it's important to state that fact) so powerful that works just like reality for a while, so not just for the enemy, but for everyone including the caster. It can kill and be killed, and its effects don't disappear after the illusion is over, except for the caster's body (but not the mind).

So, an opposite of that would have to not be an illusion. It would have to take the opposite path. Instead of a mind taking a step into reality, it would be reality taking a step into the mind area for a while, and the effects lasting only for the caster.


I can see Izanami as nullifying the effects of an injury and ressurrecting the user until its chakra wears off. Affecting reality with one's mind powers, similar to what Kyuubi has done for Naruto before. We haven't seen it happening to other Jinchus, so it might just be the effects of Uzumaki blood together with Kyuubi's chakra, or Izanami manifesting in a smaller degree.

Uber regen would certainly be a perfect counter to any injury the EMS could cause, even that arrow from Susanoo. Or even an Izanagi caused injury. Naruto would fight beyond his body's status, as only his mind's status would matter when under Izanami.

[kkck]

We haven't seen any senju tech, maybe because it is reserve for the "that jutsu" or they have no real special jutsu, just strong body, god strength, god speed, god reflex, godly learning by body and the like

I personally think that senji/uzumaki equivalents to sharingan are techniques like the ones hashirama had and kushina's special chakra. I can't imagine those not being related to the rokudo sennin. Techniques like that are kinda recessive however their ability to shape history itself in unquestionable. Other than that, I do think the senju and uzumaki were gifted with exceptional talent though, without such a thing standing up to a clan like uchiha (who always had exceptional chakras AND sharingan) would be impossible.

[xallisto]

genereally speaking in my own experience of watching anime and reading manga, like the topic says where there is Izanagi there is normally Izanami and usually diametrically opposed 2 the former.

So if one can use Izanagi reshape ones own reality then surley Izanami could be used 2 reshape someone elses reality.

any thoughts???

[Zatono]

If there is an Izanami, then its consequences are probably much more dire then Izanagi, since you get to reshape someone else's reality. That's basically an instant death move against someone.

[xallisto]

from the entry on Wikipedia.

In Japanese mythology, Izanami-no-Mikoto, also given as 伊弉冉尊 or 伊邪那美命, meaning "she who invites" is a goddess of both creation and death,

[mattiaildivino]

What's an izanami?

[xallisto]

In Japanese mythos Izanami is Izanagi's sister.

[THM Nindo]

In Japanese mythos Izanami is Izanagi's sister.

More than just his sister, she was Izanagi's wife.

When she died, Izanagi went to hell to find her (a bit like Orpheus's story), but when he saw her face (she has started to rot), he fled.

She then yelled that for abandoning her, she would take the life of 1000 person every day, and Izanagi replied that he would then give life to 1500 person every day.

That's kind the "divine" way of explaining why there's too many people in Japan!

Also, when Izanagi cleaned himself after his travel into hell, he created three gods:
- Amaterasu was born from his left eye
- Tsukiyomi was born from his right eye
- Susanoo was born from his nose

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So, that's why everyone (including me) is thinking that there will eventually be a Izanami jutsu, since all the other members of this family are already introduced in this manga as Uchiha-related jutsu.

[xallisto]

ill even go so far as 2 speculate that if it does exist its the reason Madara does'nt have EMS anymore.

[3c]

I've thought about this before, but Izanami's description (going by wikipedia material) fits perfectly with Nagato's Gedo Rinne Tensei. With this jutsu he gave life (back) to dead individuals. It can be speculated that if he'd acted without the Paths, solely as Nagato and be able to perform all of Pain's techniques, Gedo Rinne Tensei and the jutsu that Naraka Path used to take life are basically the same, but different sides of the coin. This jutsu could turn out being Izanami, if Kishi decides to keep it untouched upon. After all, Izanagi was a "complete jutsu" when The Sage of the Six Paths used it, and not when a simple Senju + Uchiha mix used it. With other words originally a Rinnegan ability.

Anyway, I doubt this is the case. I have speculated on other fields of usage for it, and have come up with Naruto potentially being given it by Itachi. Giving death doesn't really fit Naruto, but giving life sure does. Izanami is basically going to be a power similar to that of a God. The closest we've seen anyone come to that status is Rinnegan wielders, mainly The Sage but also Nagato when using his Gedo Rinne Tensei.

If it's going to be as simple as changing another's reality, I'll be greatly dissapointed. It doesn't even fit with the mythology. It almost sounds too godly for any of the characters currently alive in the story. However Kishi could put it down to a level of changing another's reality, I would find it too simple but it would work.

[xallisto]

If it's going to be as simple as changing another's reality, I'll be greatly dissapointed. It doesn't even fit with the mythology. It almost sounds too godly for any of the characters currently alive in the story. However Kishi could put it down to a level of changing another's reality, I would find it too simple but it would work.

I agree 2 an extent if it is just altering someones reality in the present but what if it could be used 2 alter someones past?

maybe thats going a bit overboard tho.

Just realised that this months marks 5 years for me here at MH.

[3c]

Altering someone's past would indeed be overkill, not to mention that it has potential of ruining the character that is affected by it.

I do think there will be an Izanami, that much was fairly certain when Izanagi was introduced. Izanami is the only remaining deity in relation to the mythology that has yet to appear in the form of a technique so it's almost a must.

That's quite an accomplishment, congratulations!!

[Delbi]

This discussion has got me thinking.

I certainly think that Izanami is designed to give life. Altering someone else reality is far to similar to what Izanagi does. Giving life however seems to be more appropriate.

Now, if that is the case, what is the price one must pay to use this ability?

All of the Sharigan's extreme powers require some sort of sacrafice, either immediate or long term. But if Izanami gives life, I wonder if the price paid isn't something like the price paid for the Sharigan's abilities.

What I mean is, the price may very well be something like having a pure soul.

I say this, because perhaps Itachi did have the ability, and perhaps he did give it to Naruto somehow.

If we recall, Itachi said he hoped Naruto would never have to use what he gave him. Perhaps he said that, because Naruto would have to use it to save his own life if the Kyuubi was extracted and he died.

[THM Nindo]

Now, if that is the case, what is the price one must pay to use this ability?

Izanagi's price is the lost of the Sharingan.
Maybe Izanami's price will be the lost of the EMS.

[xallisto]

Perhaps Madara used Izanami 2 ressurect his brother and gave his life.

which would mean the person we think is Madara is actually his brother and the coffin that Kabuto summoned is actually the real Madara.....

in regards 2 Nagatos ability im pretty sure that he could only either A. rssurect people who have died within a speceific time span such as an hour maybe or B. only ressurect people that he himself had killed.

if Izanami was able 2 give life it could ressurect anybody from anytime maybe....