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And even if he knew something about that, he would also predict they could go along with the transformation with just a bit of a chakra, so, sealing the full beast or half of it wouldn't really save the world in that sense.
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Kishimoto can basically make Shikamaru to awake the Rinnegan out of nowhere and defeat the Juubi on his own. Would you be fine with that, too? If we are reading the manga, we have every right to criticize and rationalize it.
Other than that, being mindless doesn't improve a reincarnated body's chances in the fight.
If Oro left them the ability to think Tobirama would escape the jutsu(like Madara) and jump his arse :P
Good chanse for even Hashirama to know the seals IF Madara knew them... Hashirama was Tobirama's bro.
Also i would like to add this:
Kurama sure does not look small there... And its not even fully formed.
There are many thinks I'm not okay with, MANY. But still...would that change anything ? Criticizing I understand. But that's a whole different thing. He's not criticizing, he's asking me ! How am I supposed to know that ? I don't have a problem with criticizing a manga, that's natural. But he is coming to weird conclusions, such as : "They weren't fighting to win". And it's like what the hell ? The fight was written like that, and that's how it is. Asking me weird questions isn't doing anything.Quote:
I don't know that. What I know is, Hiruzen can use every Jutsu in Konoha. Orochimaru wants to obtain every Jutsu in the world. And just so you know, not all jutsus are elemental ones. In fact, None of the Jutsu's Orochimaru used are elemental.Quote:
I know right ? He's not that much smaller than the SHRUNKEN Kyuubi.Quote:
But again, a battle between those two didn't occur. How do you know that he can one-shot him when he got decapitated by someone much weaker than Hiruzen ?Quote:
He had control over them even when they were conscious. He erased their emotions later.Quote:
Here to, to that point he alowed it because he knew he can escape at any point:
Of coruse you can look at his words diferently but i think he was pointing out that they did not know of this posibility.
Then Tobirama who made the jutsus should most defenetly know how to do it and if Madara somehow found out then Hashirama should also have known. Now why they did not do it in part 1 or at least try before losing there minds? Because Kishi himself did not know at that point that its posible :P
Kurama and the 8 tails ALWAYS had the same hight. IF his real safe is as big as the chakra mode one this is clear indication he is no longer the SHRUNKEN version as you put it.
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Shikamaru was succesful in decapitating him only because he survived that first battle and learned about his power and also had Kakashi to help him trick Hidan. Without prior knowledge, Hiruzen can't deal with him, because he won't even have an idea he has to avoid close-range combat not to get a scar.
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Though I didn't like this development at all, since Edo Tensei already had its weakness. Now, it's degenerated into trash.
Yeah, Kurama and the 8 tails have the same hight. If that chakra mode is as big as his real safe then its clear indication that Kurama is back to his normal self.
Which is why I don't want to start an argument like that. There is many factors in a battle you know. There are tons of characters with abilities to one-shot someone, even Sarutobi. Nearly every Jutsu can one-shot you if it hits you directly, but then again who is stupid enough to wait and get hit ? I can argue like you guys and say Konohamaru can create a Rasengan and smash it in Kakashi's face and one-shot him, are you going to believe that ? Which is why this is a useless argument that should be taken to the Konoha arena.Quote:
Yes. They were totally under his control before he placed the tags. He just wanted to make them emotionless.Quote:
Naruto's situation is an equivalent exchange:
when he uses Kyuubi's chakra, Kyuubi takes his own. And he didn't seal it, he simply took it.
Yondaime said pretty clearly he sealed half of Kyuubi's chakra forever
Kakuzu and Deidara's abilities are Hijutsu, meaning they are not Gekkei Kenkais like Sharingan or Mokuton.
Sealing it = Defeating it, as Rikudou Sennin did with Juubi.Quote:
A temporary win, but a win nevertheless imo
Considering Yondaime, a Kage with remarkable chakra levels was paralyzed by only half, I think an infant Naruto probably couldn't hold the entire Kyuubi in himself, noting also just how much smaller he became once Yondaime sealed the chakra away.Quote:
He was suspicious of Tobi and probably imagined some sort of disaster, but him knowing of Juubi is unlikely. Unless, you know, Kishi remembers to give Senju something regarding Rin'negan and all, instead of giving all to Uchihas
ive been looking at some scans to see if kurama is trily the same size and i found this...
here kurama has shrunken already and he is clearly large even too humans just look at the middle panel with his nail pierced in minato and kushina, now look at his hand the previous time when he was bigger...
huge difference there, now lets look at one of kuramas recent fist bumps with naruto...
see what im saying?? if Kurama was full size, his fist would be WAY bigger than naruto, look here too
that is the size kurama was when he got shrunken
I used to believe kurama recovered all his chakra, but now im of the opinion that minato didnt just take his chakra but halved his chakra capacity
If I find the page (or something negating this), I'll put it here later on.
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Nice catch, Naruto2011. This may definitely be a good reference for us. If it's not some sort of messed up consistency in terms of art, it's a different size for real.
The only problem is that Kishi shouldn't have put hashi and tobirama on oro edo tensei on part 1.he could have chose different strong shinobis and more edos(ex 10 edo shinobi) like the white fang and some other elites from the past and them together with oro would have been much more credible on killing sarutobi.
If we want to compare saru with hashi we should compare even their jutsus.
Hashi:moukuton jutsus(the dragon,jokai koutan,the paralyzing flower etc),suiton jutsus,doton jutsus,sealings,selfhealing ability(byakugou) etc.We have seen the way he defeated madara and kyubi together and we saw too that mokuton was able to reject even a bijudama.
Saru:karton jutsus,doton jutsus,shuriken kbunshin,enma summon,shiki fujin and all konoha jutsus but u must have an infinite stamina to put them all in a fight and i personally dont think that even the golden age saru couldnt have more stamina and chakra than current naruto.
Hashi probably is way stronger than Saru.
Kurama is the same damn size as all the other bijus:
Same size here still:
I can post more links but no point. Kishi just messed up with his drawings or decided they need to be small now.
Then in the mind world they all look the same size:
Then look how big is a human on monkey boy's head:
Look at Bee also:
Close to this no:
Damn close eh? Naruto is the same size as the eye(well more or less).
Now let's compare THE HAND SIZE as the above poster did:
bottom panel please. Now imagine an open hand... IS IT NOT close to this:
Keep in mind that first hand is that of a monkey SO LARGER then that of a FOX.
No idea where it started and how big they where supposed to be but they are not NOW.
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