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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
Its quite obvious Madara is waiting for something else to happen or his true plans aren't what he's saying.
He's really in the best position overall. He's immortal and can't be defeated by the current line-up of opposition.
If he simply waits out the fight for a Pyrrhic victory type situation he'll get whatever results hes looking for.
Somebody has to say it so...
I KNEW I would have to enforce the 24h rule like, right after the chapter was out - UB
EDIT: Damn forgot about that (i was THAT excited about the new chapter). Sorry for it and thx for the "spoiler tags".
No problem - UB
Last edited by Uchiha_Blood; January 30, 2013 at 08:44 AM.
Gonna be hilarious if all they do is talk. Honestly, can't see a situation where they would be allowed to fight.
Never was proclaimed to be better than Itachi. Never was implied to be stronger than Nagato. Still, doesn't have anything to do with what I said. Hashirama > Kages, deal with it.Quote:
Rinnegan is one of his secrets. When did I ask for anything like that ?Quote:
Well, that's how they were trying to take Itachi's\ Sasuke's eyes. Are we gonna make things up again ?
They weren't. Chidori was again, never showed or said to be pure chakra. I never said it wasn't as hot as sun, now did I ? I keep saying it just burns slowly.Quote:
Kimimaro was using his body, as I said before. Actually nothing was changed, Katon no Jutsu and several other Jutsu are real life Ninja skills (don't know if they really do exist, but was believed as such back in times.)
But they are still elements. As I said, be them together or not, they are still counted as a chakra element.Quote:
That's not quite how it went, you really need to check it back. You gave me an example of weaker people defeating stronger people. Are you to provide me with an actual fact that Sarutobi was weaker than those two ? My argument as well, wasn't built on that. It was built on the freaking statement that he's the strongest Hokage. I simply gave him defeating the two Hokages as a feat when someone requested it.Quote:
Assumption. Chakra coming out is what he meant by "a tiny bit of chakra will leak out", knowing that and still saying you're not desperate is just weird.Quote:
Yes it does. It's not that I don't understand, it's that you found no answer and now trying to avoid my question. What part ? The part that such a statement doesn't exist. And the part that even if such statement did exist, it never mentions they need him with both halves.Quote:
Held what ? He was using the Susanoo which draws his life force. Bold part...good for you.Quote:
It's impossible to say they are not at their best, if anything they were beyond their best (Immortals, infinite chakra, etc..). They didn't show everything they had because they got sealed. There is no such a thing even hinting at them not being at their best. They were brainless, they can't choose to stay around, it's how they are. And standing around is not showing everything they have, not that they weren't at their best.Quote:
to you as well my dear, next one who will post spoilerz here will have his message deleted - UB
Last edited by KingOfNight; January 30, 2013 at 01:41 PM.
Um, no it wasn't. They weren't attempting to transplant the brother's eyes, they were gonna take over their bodies, negating any drawbacks. Have you missed the entire Orochimaru storyline?
Not his body, bone weapons he removed from his body. Real ninjutsu like Katon didn't actually involve "blowing" out fire, but setting a fire to cover one's escape.
Last edited by Rikudou King; January 30, 2013 at 02:31 PM.
interesting thead, obviously it is all hypothetical
kishi left us with some plot holes, because sarutobi was certainly holding his own against the edo tensi versions of the 1st and 2nd
now if we are talking sarutobi vs edo madara i would just laugh myself all the way to the edo tensi state myself
but while he was alive.....
i still give the edge to madara,
but a plot hole is a polt hole, if the edo madara was stronger than the alive madara
then the edo 1st and 2nd should also be stronger than the alive version
so how could sarutobi , in an OLD WAY OUT OF HIS PRIME state, hold his own against a limitless chaakra version of the brothers....
interesting questions for mr kishi
The reason Edo Madara is superior to his prime version is because he has two unreal power-ups to boost his side, Rinnegan and Mokuton; perhaps the two most coveted unique power ever.
The jutsu shown in that Part I battle is vastly inferior to anything else shown in Part II. Technically speaking, a dying Itachi would mop the floor with all Kage participating in that battle. Actually, that holds true for the rest of the Akatsuki, Kabuto, revived Kage in the current war.
It's only Kishimoto's fault that we can't agree with what's stated or shown, because he himself made a mess of his own manga
Four power ups with immortality and nearly instant chakra regeneration. Of course that ET Madara in connection with the Juubi should be considered the strongest person in the Narutoverse right now, questioning or arguing against that makes that person look like a complete fool. ET might have gained those two extras too, but Rinnegan and Mokuton are obviously MASSIVE imbalanced power-ups, which put any S ranking ninja in a shitty position no matter how mighty they are. Naruto had the need to boost all five countries shinobi with their individual up-grades to finally clash with Madara, he on his own wouldn't have been able to do so, with Kyuubi or not.
The bickering between Rikudou King and KingOfNight was quiet entertaining, it made me all sparkly and nice inside.
My solution: Kishi lost sense of it all a loooooooooong time ago, arguing against/with contradictory statements can't lead to a real and satisfactorily solution, so just post whatever you think would be the end result, but stop stickling like little kids already.
P.S.: I dearly hope none of those four Hokage will get to fight anyone. Depending on their powers they could utilize their powers so much differently than with a restricting limit or charaka and HP, it wouldn't represent their "human" maximum at all, not equally at least.
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Can any of you two write such a sentence: "Yes, you are right, I was wrong."? Kinda missing that within those hundreds of lines.
No need to be rude - UB
Last edited by Schabrak; February 02, 2013 at 08:12 AM. Reason: okay
Since there was a noted difference between the mask and the actual shinigami, I presumed the shinigami didn't exist inside the mask and therefore must have been called/summoned forth to the material world in order to proceed to the possession. I suppose I could be wrong and the shingami automatically get summoned the moment the mask was put on.
And I'll point out that I've been wrong twice in this very thread and attempted my mistake. I have no problem accepting when I'm wrong, I'm just not here. Even ignoring the shinigami/mask situation, there are still several available examples showing Orochimaru using his arms and ninjutsu, differently from when he was first sealed and couldn't even move his arms.
it doesnt realy matter how many. theres always edo tensei and the possibility of undoing any seal if one would some how defeat him via a sealing jutsu after all even the clan specializing with seals had its kyuubis seal broken by a revived villain. whats new?
the more pressing questions are:
how many times did kishi revive dead characters instead of creating new ones?
and how many more times does he intends to use it in the future to the demise of our favorite saga?
lastly, are there any other anime/manga which could outmatch the severity in using the idea of reviving defeated-dead characters than what we are seeing in naruto?
peace. just asking...
Last edited by johnloyd; February 03, 2013 at 02:57 AM.
And never had an answer.Quote:
Not missed, forgot. Still don't see how that helps the original argument (that they sought the Rinnegan.)
It was never said to be just chakra. Nor was anything about it being visible said. I never argued that the Amaterasu wasn't as hot as the sun, simply said it burns slowly. His bones are part of his body. I know, but the technique name haven't change, or the fact that it uses fire.Quote:
Which is why I said they aren't basic.Quote:
So I take it you aren't planning to give up ? He never used a mysterious Jutsu, and he said that once he get his arms back from the Shinigami, then he will be able to use Jutsus again. So they were sealed. I win this, quite being stubborn.Quote:
Nope. I have a proof, you don't. I win.Quote:
You never gave proofs to anything. He said that his chakra will leak. You're seriously arguing against the most obvious of facts ?Quote:
So you admit the Kyuubi has only half it's power ?Quote:
How did you assume that he has to run out of chakra before using his life force ? It's good for you because you know when you're making assumptions.Quote:
Being brainless simply stops them from using their emotions, they still remained at full power. All that you said is them not showing everything they've got. It's not that they weren't at their best.Quote:
Last edited by KingOfNight; February 03, 2013 at 12:14 PM.
About Nagato, you are right. That was just pointing out a potential development over the time. Never it was stated anything to suggest Sasuke came anywhere close to Nagato.
This is indeed a Shounen where emotions matter to some extent. But this is not Fairy Tail where emotions give you an instant boost. Just because you have the will power to win, doesn't mean you're gonna win. Otherwise, Sasuke wouldn't have gotten almost killed against a sick Itachi, or Konoha wouldn't have been obliterated by one man nor will the newly trained and strong willed Naruto get owned in an instant by an emotionless handicapped Nagato.Quote:
I don't buy it. 3rd is no where near Madara's league in terms of power tiers.
Both Orochimaru and Obito have made it explicit that Sasuke has more potential than Itachi. What more proof are you looking for?Quote:
Last edited by shahdan; February 03, 2013 at 03:03 PM.