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    Lightbulb General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    Hey,
    I thought it might be nice to have such a thread specifically for selfmade arts/image editing programs (I guess Photoshop in most cases) for all kinds of small stuff, discussions or simple questions related to it.
    Since we've just been wondering in general hangout thread where to place such a thread it's in Tutorials & Workshops for now, it might be moved to a different forum soon

    To add a first personal post:
    Right now I'm struggling with the recreation of outlines from Berserk. This very detailed style of most Seinen (it seems, after all I only read Beserk and Shigurui from that genre yet and both have very detailled drawings) is a pain compared to clean and easy outlines like Naruto. I'm usually working with a fully zoomed out overview to figure out details and an extremely closely zoomed in version to set prezise paths.
    But as Beserk is incredibly detailled and partially has very precise shadows/lightning etc., close zoom ins become totally muddy while details aren't clearly visible in normal size.
    This little part gave me a hard time, I think I studied at least 15 reference images to fully understand what's what
    http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...hop/Matsch.jpg

    Still, at least everything looks much finer when actually drawn than the path-versions
    Current (incomplete) state including some mistakes (such as totally screwed up shoulder plates which have to be remade from the first and a bunch of useless lines):
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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    The lines doesn't look too bad actually. And yeah, I think you've figured it out right, Naruto is prolly one of the simplest drawn mangas and very easy to clean/outline w/e.

    So you're using PS for the cleaning work, heh?
    Not a big fan of colouring others' lines to be honest, but whenever I feel to colour a panel or something I simply redraw the lines myself using the program Paint Tool SAI. The lines become way cleaner than just cleaning an orginal page, and you can modify the strength of the lines yourself. Which I believe is super useful especially when you need to have thin hair and stuff.

    The only problem is that it takes more time and might not be applictable on drawn out mangas like Berserk, Gantz etc. However if you've get bored some time, just give it a shot.
    lines with SAI

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    I'm using Path Tool usually for outlines as it's the way I'm used to do it. It might be the most time-robbing way to do, but it's also the most precise and best to scrap and change things. And, of course, the lines are perfectly clean in the end as there's nothing of the original in it. I simply grew attached to the method as it's one of the first things I did using Photoshop to create simple comic characters.
    I'll certainly take a look at SAI, thanks for the hint.

    http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...serk-Paths.jpg
    (as far as I know the golden rule is to use as few anchor points as possible - still this is how it looks like as I easily ignore it for very simple lines which won't go wrong anyways and only stick to it for complex details which might require rework a couple of times)
    At least I figured out a rule of the thumb (damn that's really the english word for "Faustregel" (Fist-Rule/german)?) for Berserk Outlines: Anything that can't be identified must be a belt buckle! (I roughly guess that these outlines contain 10 belt buckles, without counting the repeating clasps on Kjaskar's pants)

    I was toying around with a Shigurui shot recently and somehow had the absurd idea of only using Hue/Saturation adjustments to colourise it as the original image already had perfect shadows/highlights, here's the result (without any afterwork, only one "layer" of Hue/Saturation):
    http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...chaftblock.jpg
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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    Was only using PS for colourings so far, so I don't even know wat differents methods there are
    But this one you've showed does not look that much different from what I am using. Also got those points which I can modify the lines with, as well as their strength.
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    I recall you have to modify the brush first to have a different strength of line in PS, or is there a quicker way to do so?

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil3ye View Post
    I recall you have to modify the brush to have a different strength of line in PS, or is there a quicker method to do so?
    A path can be drawn with different tools in photoshop, I guess Brush is the most common one. I couldn't think of an easier way. Simply opening the brush tool, adjusting everything necessary (usually only brush size) and then let PS draw the path with it.
    I mean it's only one adjustment for drawing everything at once after the path is finished so it is rather quick.

    For a data like I created only using one path, this leads to a uniform line thickness. It's possible to seperate the paths though (technically everything is one path on my example) and draw them in different strength. There's also a setting called "Simulate Pressure" for drawing paths but that's of no use for outlines I'ld say.

    I think there are other ways to draw paths as well but I don't know them :P
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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    I tried out that pen tool few times, but got confused with the path-ing. Had to draw and cancel that thing every time I wanted to start a new line. I don't really get how to work with it properly. A tutorial woulda be sweet lol.

    But since I'm pretty much out of time atm and not in an artistic mood either,..meh D:

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    It's quite easy to use actually, maybe I'll make one but there's actually little to explain

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    ohw would you do that? sweet.
    or you might just link me one, if you ...accidently.. bang into one :wink

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    I'd like to use the path-tool,but it somehow does not work anymore,so i have to redraw everything myself ;-;

    From where did you get SAI,M?

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    Was a recommendation from nat back then (though I figured she's using a different prog aleady :s). Don't know where I dl'ed it. Google it, however it's not a freeware, one actually got to pay for the license.

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil3ye View Post
    ohw would you do that? sweet.
    or you might just link me one, if you ...accidently.. bang into one :wink
    Done:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UVPLNwEc6Q
    I hope it's enough to give a good overview on it, since Pen tool actually is quite user-friendly
    The final step I didn't mention would be right-click -> Draw Path of course.
    Last edited by Roflkopt3r; October 17, 2010 at 09:09 PM.

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    ohkay, thanks. That one can use them on different layers was news to me. Still don't know how to 'draw' properly with it though. Or can I select just one path that it'll be traced with a brush, without affecting the others? Gotta try it out some day..

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil3ye View Post
    ohkay, thanks. That one can use them on different layers was news to me. Still don't know how to 'draw' properly with it though. Or can I select just one path that it'll be traced with a brush, without affecting the others? Gotta try it out some day..
    That's something I wondered myself, to me it seems that it's only possible to "draw" a whole set of paths at once. However, it's relatively easy to first make a set of subpaths and than split it into several paths which can be drawn seperatly.
    Also it is possible to draw a single subpath, but it seems that requires to select exactly one subpath and not more at a time, which would make it taking quite a while to draw a complex lineart.


    Right now I'm working on some super simple shots to get some experience. Sadly I always tend to try the large projects right away, but that's not a good approach for me as I'm really low on experience still. However, the simple shots can be surprisingly great sometimes...
    Working on this shot now because I loved it right from the start
    http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...ndderApfel.jpg
    Does anyone have an idea what that strange round object to the left of the chewed apple in her mouth might be?
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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    Some stuff from the background. A round little window in the wall (?) I'd say.

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    Re: General Digital Art/Photoshop Discussion/Hangout Thread

    I'm so slow right now, It's so many days since I started this one
    http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...imRegenZW1.jpg
    Yet I didn't invest much time in it yet...


    Does anyone have a clue which eye colour Guts may have? I'm working on a Berserk shot for the coloured arts contest and I can't decide on an eye colour for him

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