Mashiro and...?

[Koen]

So, we know that Mshiro wants to start another manga too. He's already checking out if he can managa drawing two in one week. Do you think he will go alone? or will he work another storywriter? and if so, who do you think he will end up with? Someone we already know?

[sir_arles]

I'd like him to go by himself. If Eiji can, he must be able to do it too.

Any other choice would seem like running away from the contest, IMO

[Kibate]

i would love to see something new

maybe working with another artist together(not as someone being an assistent, but two main artist)

[Koen]

I'd like him to go by himself too but the biggest problem he can have in this scenario is the fact that he must be able to write good a story. Mashiro is a good artist who is growing but will he be a good storywriter too? All the stories came from shuujin's mind and shuujin even has to give a lot of efforts to come up with great ones

[Kibate]

All the stories came from shuujin's mind and shuujin even has to give a lot of efforts to come up with great ones

Not exactly, a lot in the beginning and even in later years both of them brainstormed together to form the ideas.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Not exactly, a lot in the beginning and even in later years both of them brainstormed together to form the ideas.

Coming up with ideas and actually writing them into a viable story are two completely different things.

Writing isn't something you learn that easily. It's not something you can just be hit on by "inspiration" and become good at it. I hate when people say that writing is easier than drawing because...It really isn't. It's just that unless you take the time to read it, you don't know the difference between someone writing crap and someone writing a masterpiece, while drawing produces direct results for everyone to look at.

There are people who say they can't draw at all, and that's true. They can only draw stick figures. And there are people who say they can write well, but in reality their writing is nothing more than a well disguised stick figure.

I don't think Mashiro will pick up writing skills out of nowhere. It's not something you can just "pick up" from watching someone do it. You gotta practice a lot yourself before being able to do it well, and he just doesn't have that sort of practice. His storytelling might be okay since the text-to-image shift, but his writing will still be atrocious. He knows how to direct, not how to write.

He can be Michael Bay whenever he want, but he won't be William Goldman so easily.

[sir_arles]

But we have to keep in mind he's gonna make a mainstream manga that can get an anime.

That's a lot different from trying to write a non mainstream manga that survives in Shounen Jump.

Mainstream is easier to write, since it has lots of clichés and "formulas" that Saiko already knows and understands.

Anyway, making a mainstream manga that actually survives in Jump can also be pretty hard. But with the drawing level that he now has and a mediocre/good shounen plot he might survive long enough to learn in the process and get to an anime. Maybe.

I'm not saying writing is easy. I'm saying that surviving with mainstream in Jump is easier than surviving with non mainstream manga.

[MCCmonkey]

i am not really sure but this page tell me that he may end teaming up with iwase, but as some people have said before, writting on his own or wrtting the story of a new character is also a posibility

[Tick]

I'd like him to go by himself. If Eiji can, he must be able to do it too.

Man, Eiji is a monster, he just lives for manga. There is no way to compare them.

No one can be good at something all of a sudden. Even if, someday he writes and draw his own series, I guess he is not ready yet.

[sir_arles]

I don't mean he actually is capable of doing it. I'm saying that if his goal, his motivation, is to equal or surpass Eiji, in order to achieve that he MUST be able to do a manga by himself.

Otherwise, Saiko will never reach Eiji's level.

If he just keeps being an "illustrator", he'll never get the recognition he seeks as a mangaka and as an artist.

That was my point.

[Koen]

i am not really sure but this page tell me that he may end teaming up with iwase, but as some people have said before, writting on his own or wrtting the story of a new character is also a posibility

Well, I didn't dare to announce it but that's what I have been thinking too. Mashiro going all alone is nice but impossible. He can't draw two mangas in a week and come up with a story for one at the same time. He needs a storyteller and Iwase seems to be the best person for that. It would be nice if Rabuta and Mashiro's newest manga would do harm to PcP's quality...

I like to see him with Iwase

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Not exactly, a lot in the beginning and even in later years both of them brainstormed together to form the ideas.

One but drawing two mangas in a week is such a workload that coming up with a story can't be done.

[DidCart]

Hey hey hey, guys!

I'm reading some people here saying that he can't be recognized as a mangaka if he can't come up with his own stories and I say that's not true.

Take Obata as an example. C'mon. A lot of people read Obata's mangas because it's Obata drawing them. We can't say Obata isn't a mangaka and, as I remember, he isn't this good with writing, is he?

[sir_arles]

Then again, I'm always talking about his rivalry with Eiji. IMO, Saiko has to be able to ever or surpass Eiji in order to consider himself the winner.

On the get recognition as a "better mangaka than Eiji", I'm not saying that he's a bad mangaka because he doesn't write the stories, or anything like that.

Just wanted to make that clear.

[Kibate]

One but drawing two mangas in a week is such a workload that coming up with a story can't be done.

actually it is quite easy, at least for me, and people complimated me on my storys a lot(not for my drawings though XP they are decent at best)
how do i know that it can be done even though i am obviously not in the same position as mashiro? Easy, there are three places/times i imagine my storys.
1. When i'm in bed trying to sleep, i always imagine a new story or a continuation of an old story
2. Toilet, instead of reading newspaper, just making up a new manga idea
3. On the bus/train(if you use them), here too, way too much time people don't use

I have been able to imagine so many storys, even if i were to write them all down i wouldn't be able to finish them until i die. You might say now "pff, most of them are most likely boring anyway" the thing is, i have the theory that ANY story can be turned into a good manga, and since mashiros art is top-tier he can even lack a bit on the story.

[Sherlock Holmes]

actually it is quite easy, at least for me, and people complimated me on my storys a lot(not for my drawings though XP they are decent at best)
how do i know that it can be done even though i am obviously not in the same position as mashiro? Easy, there are three places/times i imagine my storys.
1. When i'm in bed trying to sleep, i always imagine a new story or a continuation of an old story
2. Toilet, instead of reading newspaper, just making up a new manga idea
3. On the bus/train(if you use them), here too, way too much time people don't use

I have been able to imagine so many storys, even if i were to write them all down i wouldn't be able to finish them until i die. You might say now "pff, most of them are most likely boring anyway" the thing is, i have the theory that ANY story can be turned into a good manga, and since mashiros art is top-tier he can even lack a bit on the story.

Mind if I ask what kind of experience you have, since you say it is easy to make a story?

Also, if you do webcomics, I'm sorry to say that it isn't the same thing. With webcomics you are more likely to receive compliments than anything else. Moreover, you have no one to answer to but yourself. You are your own boss, so there is no one truly judging your work. Just a few people who like it enough to follow it, and the rest simply doesn't bother to criticize it.

With mangas it's very different, as they have one of the harshest critique systems in the world. Even publishing books seems easier than writing mangas constantly. Well, I only have experience with one spectrum of the equation, but writing mangas seem pretty damn hard if Bakuman is any indication.

Also uh, it's easy to have an idea anywhere. It is however hard to make those ideas worth anything. If Mashiro wanted to draw two webcomics at once with the same number of pages he is doing now, he could do it without a problem. But in mangas, with the ultra harsh ranking system? Yyyyeah no. You cannot just be lacking in the story department if you have good art. You either have both, or Jump will cancel you and tell you to be someone's artist.

Sorry if this came out offensive, I didn't mean it that way.