How strong is Ryūken Ishida? And what theories do you have regarding Ryūken Ishida?

[Crystal Black]

I can't really judge on it right now. But he seems to be quite strong. I wanted to say around Isshin's level but there's nothing to prove this. I only took notice of this because both there introductions were around the same time I guess.?

[shaheer]

i d say RYuken is abt the level of Byakuya or say soi fong... i seriously doubt that he is as strong as ukitake/kyoraku so definitely not as strong as isshin.....
but ya if i have to say he is Quinchi equvalent to Yama

[Takahashi]

COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS! This reminds me of when people stated that the vizards would be UBER powerful and the weakest member would lay waste to even the Captain Commander Yamamoto. People fail to forget that yamamoto is the epitome of shinigami strength. Going around saying anyone is comparable to him is ridiculous.

Yes, Ryuken is a skilled quincy, but also remember his teach aka father got killed by a few hollows sent by one of our very own captain mayuri. If i had to guess, ryuken would be on MAYBE byakuya's level. But no higher.

I interpreted it in the sense that Ryuken is the most powerful Quincy and Yama is the most powerful Shinigami. So they're similar in the sense that they're the top in their own world, not necessarily comparable by power.

If he's mastered every Quincy technique, and is a friend of Isshin, I'm guessing he's pretty damn powerful. If every single Quincy tech ever invented used by the last Quincy only amounts to Byakuya's level, then I am disappoint

[Naruffy]

Ichigo surpassed Isshin so badly that it hurts.

Really? Isshin was the one who told Ichigo of FGT, so no doubt he can use it also, saying Ichigo is miles above him is a baseless argument.

I think Ryuken is at Isshin's level, that would be captain class, but good enough the knock Aizen around in his base form like Isshin did. Although their is no real proof of this, he just strikes me as Isshin's equal.

[shaheer]

nah i doubt isshin and ryuken are co equal in pwr level...ryuken is strong but not as strong as isshin...i doubt he s as strong as urahara is... ...
adn ichigo cant be stronger than isshin yet... i sshin didnt even go shikai to knock aizen from one corner to other during evolution... may be after awaking from such a long time prevented isshin to use FTG or sth thats y he didnt use... other wise isshin tacited that he knew the final move of his zanpakto when ichigo went inside his head... saying his zan was quite headstrong etc etc

[poobert]

Really? Isshin was the one who told Ichigo of FGT, so no doubt he can use it also, saying Ichigo is miles above him is a baseless argument.

adn ichigo cant be stronger than isshin yet... i sshin didnt even go shikai to knock aizen from one corner to other during evolution...

WHAT!!!11one! We are obviously not reading the same manga. Aizen >>>> Isshin. Who cares if Isshin can use fgt. Ichigo thrashed Aizen while in base level bankai.

Actually, no. He didn't thrash Aizen, he totally dominated him in every respect to the point that Aizen couldn't even comprehend Ichigo's reatsu.

Wait one second! That is exactly what Aizen did to Isshin. Isshin couldn't even feel Aizen's reatsu... lord knows how badly he would have lost against butterflyzen.

------------

With regards to qunicy, I am loosing respect for them with every passing chapter it seems. I am going to downgrade Ryuken to mid captain level. He would have a good fight with Byakuya.

[xXan]

WHAT!!!11one! We are obviously not reading the same manga. Aizen >>>> Isshin. Who cares if Isshin can use fgt. Ichigo thrashed Aizen while in base level bankai.

Actually, no. He didn't thrash Aizen, he totally dominated him in every respect to the point that Aizen couldn't even comprehend Ichigo's reatsu.

Wait one second! That is exactly what Aizen did to Isshin. Isshin couldn't even feel Aizen's reatsu... lord knows how badly he would have lost against butterflyzen.

------------

With regards to qunicy, I am loosing respect for them with every passing chapter it seems. I am going to downgrade Ryuken to mid captain level. He would have a good fight with Byakuya.

Well i have to agree. The simple fact that Isshin has no hallow side aka he is not a hybrid means that he is less then Ichigo.
Ryuken ? He is somewhere on captain level but not on the most powerfull ones.

[shaheer]

gomen gomen i was comparing their shinigami abilities... ichigo is a powerhouse when it comes to over all..he uses hollow and shinigami both ... but shinigami wise isshin is stronger atleast thats what i think..do i bet there is still room for improvement for ichigo ...hope i cleared up the confusion abt ma post

[xXan]

gomen gomen i was comparing their shinigami abilities... ichigo is a powerhouse when it comes to over all..he uses hollow and shinigami both ... but shinigami wise isshin is stronger atleast thats what i think..do i bet there is still room for improvement for ichigo ...hope i cleared up the confusion abt ma post

Well i think Ichigo has the potencial to become stronger then Yamamoto with only shinigami powers. Problem is Isshin has the experience and knows how to do kido. Now if we give Ichigo some time perhaps he will get there ... But as of now Isshin is more powerfull then him if we are to use only his shinigami powers.
_________________
Now something else. How in the world has Isshin used FGT ? Don't you need a hollow for that ? Or was it more powerfull for Ichigo for that reason (because he had the hollow to).

Anyway i realy don't see any non-shinigami as powerfull as the top shinigami captains. Even the Espada had shinigami + hollow powers if not the big boys would have demolished them. The Quincy are probably somewhere on the average captain's level but they do make up for the low brute power with there intelect.

[union98]

It's difficult to say how strong Ryuken is because we haven't seen that much of him, plus we have no idea what a Quincy's limit is. But if I had to guess, I'd have to atleast put him on par with the senior captains given that he's obviously stronger and more knowledgeable than Ishida (who I guess can fight on par with weaker captains) and can shoot an arrow a few millimeters away from Ishida's heart while falling...

[Naruffy]

WHAT!!!11one! We are obviously not reading the same manga. Aizen >>>> Isshin. Who cares if Isshin can use fgt. Ichigo thrashed Aizen while in base level bankai.
Actually, no. He didn't thrash Aizen, he totally dominated him in every respect to the point that Aizen couldn't even comprehend Ichigo's reatsu.

Wait one second! That is exactly what Aizen did to Isshin. Isshin couldn't even feel Aizen's reatsu... lord knows how badly he would have lost against butterflyzen.

------------

With regards to qunicy, I am loosing respect for them with every passing chapter it seems. I am going to downgrade Ryuken to mid captain level. He would have a good fight with Byakuya.

Isshin didn't even use bankai to fight Aizen, so saying Ichigo's greater than Isshin because of that is unreasonable. Plus, you can't say Aizen is greater than Isshin unless your comparing Isshin greatest power to Aizen's.

I personally hope that Ryuken is above captain power, I think it would be more fitting for the last quincy to be at that level. If not then so be it.

[exacta]

Isshin didn't even use bankai to fight Aizen, so saying Ichiugo's greater than Isshin because of that is unreasonable. Plus, you can't say Aizen is greater than Isshin unless your comparing Isshin greatest power to Aizen's.

I personally hope that Ryuken is above captain power, I think it would be more fitting for the last quincy to be at that level. If not then so be it.

I would agree with this. Isshin technically should've been capable of defeating Aizen, because he could also learn the FGT. And, I'm not entirely sure if we've even seen his real shikai. But, the fact that he definitely has a FGT seals the deal.

I'd assume he's on par with Isshin, and I'd say both of them are above captain level.

[lawlett-kun]

I expect Ryuken to be of top 3 captain level.. He is extremely powerful quincy, extremely inteligent prolly great strategist to compensate for the lack of close combat weakness.His precision is simply perfect and I am sure he can kill even a shinigami with 1 arrow or something like that..Basing it on what Ishida has shown us with his final form, and I am expecting Ryuken to have power beyond that of ishids final form.

[conn-man]

Can I just say how bad ass it is that ryuken performed surgery on his own son. And in what seemed to be less than an hour.

[vongola_x]

Okay folks, we get it, Uryuu got owned. Since when does this mean that Ryuuken is weak when we've really seen so little of his power?

It could be easy to assume that he's on the same level as Isshin, but that's also difficult to gauge, as we haven't seen him fight very much either. Sure, his son was able to beat Aizen, but that was only after fighting Tensa Zangetsu for two years straight and having a power upside taller than K2.

Mangaka have this habit of keeping the really powerful characters' abilities under wraps for a while, and taking into consideration how long Ryuuken (and Isshin for that matter) have been sitting on the bench, I'll guess that he's miles above Uryuu's level and likely slightly above Byakuya.