Why didn't Kabuto summon Jiraiya with the rest of the "notable" ninjas?

[mattiaildivino]

tobi isn't obito! in the 53th book,in the flashback of the uzumaki family,tobi fought with Minato,and Kakashi was too young!
however,orochimaru isn't died!He's alive sealed in the Totsuka sword(of Itachi's Susanoo)

[xXan]

tobi isn't obito! in the 53th book,in the flashback of the uzumaki family,tobi fought with Minato,and Kakashi was too young!
however,orochimaru isn't died!He's alive sealed in the Totsuka sword(of Itachi's Susanoo)

Well he is probably just a soul because he has no real body left so perhaps the jutsu will work.


PS. Right now if you would tell me that Madara is actualy Rin i would not be surprised at all :P
Up to the moment when Kishi finaly shows who he is Madara could be about anybody or using anybody's body or something. We can't be sure.

[kkck]

Problem with Jiraiya ressurection: how will he enter sagemode? I doubt Ma and Pa would be willing to fuse with Zombiyara.

Jiraiya was extraordinarily powerful even by jonnin standards without sage mode though. That said, without ma and pa he would just have to use HM the old fashion way, by sitting still and gathering energy. As an undead he would not have to bother with not taking attacks, he will simply lie still and regenerate while he gathers energy. Certainly a downgrade from using ma and pa but altogether possible.

[Brill]

I thought it was weird that Kabuto didn't summon Jiraiya when he summoned the 'skilled ninjas that have made a name for themself'. He summoned Azuma and Haku and Zabuza....but no Jiraiya? It is possible he just hasn't summoned him yet.

I see two options with this:
1. Jiraiya hasn't been summoned yet, and will be summoned the next time Kabuto runs into Naruto.
2. Jiraiya is not dead so he can't be summoned. BOOM! and yes I did go there.

I really hope it's not #2 because I just want someone that died to actually be dead in this manga. BUT, we all know it's very possible that Jiraiya could be [magically] alive somehow with some unknown jutsu or something.

I guess I assumed that Jiraiya was one of the most notable ninjas in all naruto-verse so Kabuto would use him right away...before I even read ch. 515. We've never heard anything about Dan beside that he was Tsunade's lover...and I see the obvious reason Kabuto summoned Dan...being the dead lover and all. But Jiraiya could easily have cause a similar emotional stir with Tsunade and beaten her and then the summoned Jiraiya could have fought Naruto and told him that he killed the current Hokage (Tsunade) to stir up more emotions in Naruto.

Any other reason why kabuto didn't summon him off the bat to show that he can? I wouldn't like it, but this situation points out that it is very possible that he isn't dead.

I dunno...what do you guys think?

Well your entire argument hinges on one thing: Edo Tensei can summon any dead body with no restrictions.

My question is who says it can? I mean if Kabuto can summon anyone why didn't he summon ALL the dead Kages. Sure Kishi is playing the lazy card and the psychological card, but only 3 dead Kages when there are more than 12 to chose from? There appears to be an implciit restriction that Kishi hasn't told the audience. My guess is that you need a material component from the body of interest (a fingernail, spat of blood, a hair) to tie the soul to the sacrificed corpse. If that is the case, then that explains why there is no Jiraiya. If Kabuto went into the Land of Rain to get a piece of Jiraya, Pain would have crushed him like a bug. So Kabuto had no access to Jiraiya when Pain was still alive, and maybe he didn't have time to go back and make an ET after Nagato's death.

[Gwym]

Jiraiya was extraordinarily powerful even by jonnin standards without sage mode though. That said, without ma and pa he would just have to use HM the old fashion way, by sitting still and gathering energy. As an undead he would not have to bother with not taking attacks, he will simply lie still and regenerate while he gathers energy. Certainly a downgrade from using ma and pa but altogether possible.

Oh, I lol'd reading this and picturin Jiraiya actually being more powerful being a zombie, and actually perfecting the technique of sagemode...cuz he's a stiff :P

[Fox666]

Well your entire argument hinges on one thing: Edo Tensei can summon any dead body with no restrictions.

My question is who says it can? I mean if Kabuto can summon anyone why didn't he summon ALL the dead Kages. Sure Kishi is playing the lazy card and the psychological card, but only 3 dead Kages when there are more than 12 to chose from? There appears to be an implciit restriction that Kishi hasn't told the audience. My guess is that you need a material component from the body of interest (a fingernail, spat of blood, a hair) to tie the soul to the sacrificed corpse. If that is the case, then that explains why there is no Jiraiya. If Kabuto went into the Land of Rain to get a piece of Jiraya, Pain would have crushed him like a bug. So Kabuto had no access to Jiraiya when Pain was still alive, and maybe he didn't have time to go back and make an ET after Nagato's death.

Hmm, my theory is that is require a body sample, I.e. blood, skin, etc.

Orochimaru and Kabuto would have collected a lot of that stuff, and Kabuto seems to have traveled the world. Because of that, we won't see 100% of the characters from other eras. But that don't explain the Jiraya thing...

[mattiaildivino]

We haven't seen every dead summoned by kabuto and i think there are more than 3 kages. But Remember that the hokages hashirama,tobirama, hiruzen and minato are sealed so they couldn't be resurrected,even though kabuto said he was Better than orochimaru and tobirama using Edo tensei

[zerocooldx]

I'm sure Jiraiya will be there when its all said and done. Kabuto has basically Edo Tenseied anyone who was ever even remotely famous. And each chapter we see more and more of them.

[M3J]

I think Kabuto did summon Jiraiya, but we can't see him. He's probably among the unseen. Either that or Kabuto's planning to summon Jiraiya later, but he most likely than not knows about Jiraiya's death as that'd be a big thing.

[Israfel]

I like the theory that Jiraiya is still alive.

If you remember the scene when Konan died - Jiraiya's "Hop-in" card wasn't turned all the way to the red side. I think this implies the possibility of him being alive or only half-dead. Perhaps at his final moment at the bottom of the lake he absorbed nature energy and turned into a frog (some sort of hibernation mode.) And that's why Kabuto couldn't summon him.

Actually, I think Kishi is saving the fact that Jiraiya is alive for the manga's ending.

It will probably be something like this...

After the war is over and everything is fine again, Tsunade is alone in her room looking out the window - thinking about old comrades. In hops a frog that looks uncannily like Jiraiya. Tsunade sees this frog and is strangely compelled to kiss him, so she did - then BOOM !! the frog turned in to naked Jiraiya splaying over her chest!!

That'd be a fitting end for this manga. A happy ending^_^

[mattiaildivino]

in the interview of january 2008 Kishi answered at the question "Jiraiya is died?" with "He's alive,in your hearts."

[Alterno]

There could be a lot of reasons for Kabuto not summoning, some of the most notable ninja in the universe and that's only from our perspective as reader, not from the perspective of the autor, let's think about it.

Hyuuga Hizashi
Praised as the most powerful, talented Hyuuga by his own brother, the man who deserved to be the head of the family due his power. And let's consider that power wise the difference between one and another seems to be minimum.

The ninjas of the third Shippuuden movie
In the third movie we got to know about ninja with powerful Kekkai Genkai, combined would make the perfect ninja according to Hiroku.

Haku
Haku is in fact faster than Kakashi and we already have seen that as a true. In fact if he wanted he could have killed Naruto and Sasuke easily, but he was too soft hearted.

Sabuza
Honestly those who thinks that Zabusa is nothing without his cleaver are forgetting that Sabuza trapped Kakashi using pure jutsus, Water prison and water clones.

Previous Kages
We already know how powerful and skilled are previous Kage, one of them could even be the strongest in the history and another could be the fastest... I'm talking about Hashirama and Minato respectively.

Other Shinobi
Asuma was one of the bodyguards of the feudal lord, the first leader of the country of fire... Asuma is not weak, just that we couldn't get too see his full potential due Hidan. Imagine an enemy that whenever you hit him, you are the one in pain... it was impossible to beat him without the appropriate knowledge.


As for the other notable ninja like Jiraiya and the rest... Maybe the reason is that Kabuto don't have any use for him or maybe is just that Kabuto is saving another set of pieces where Jiraiya is one of them, we just have to wait and see how things develops.

[kazekaze_yuki]

@ISrafel: agree with you. You think who are the ones to save & heal Jiraiya after his battle to Pain?
It could be Rin. Until now we still not know what happened to her? Is she alive? Maybe or not. I believe she will make appearance soon

[Alterno]

@ISrafel: agree with you. You think who are the ones to save & heal Jiraiya after his battle to Pain?
It could be Rin. Until now we still not know what happened to her? Is she alive? Maybe or not. I believe she will make appearance soon

Kakashi's flashbacks implied that she is dead.

[Israfel]

@kazekaze_yuki:

I don't think anyone saved Jiraiya. It doesn't make sense for Rin to stay hidden for so long just to appear out of the blue like that.

What I think happened is that Jiraiya unconsciously absorbed natural energy in his critical state and thus was transformed into a frog (because he didn't have any of his chakra left to keep the balance, that is.)

If you go back and read the chapter where Jiraiya allegedly "died", you'll also see that Jiraiya was thinking of himself as "a frog at the bottom of a well drifting to the ocean" - so it kind of makes sense if he'd unconsciously transform himself into a frog with that thought.

It's quiet possible when you think about it - all his injuries can probably be healed in the transformation process as well .