Ichigo's Dad, Ishida's Dad and Urahara

[sahugani]

except remember that for the hougyoku to be seperated from the soul at death, the soul would have had to be vaporized which is why Aizen decided to use Soukyoku. if that was not the case, Aizen could have just killed herand picked it up. it is likely that upon a normal death of a soul, either the hougyoku dies along with the infused soul or it is passed on to whatever human in the real world the soul is reincarnated into

[W1nTry]

I still see that as too risky. If it was a simple matter of destroying it by putting it into a soul and destroying the soul then a modified soul may have sufficed. I suspect it would have remained or as you put it, gone into another human soul. Either way that a very large gamble. Not one I suspect Urahara would have made given the gravity of it falling into the wrong hands.

[sahugani]

ok. i'll attack this issue from a different angle. if he didn't put in Rukia when he was still in Soul Society, where would he keep it for 100 or so years? If the only 2 methods of extracting it from a soul are a method he himself created and using a power equal to Soukyoku, wouldn't a normal soul with basically no chance of undergoing that execution be better than a shinigami who has just broken the law?

[W1nTry]

Based on your theory, she would not have broken the law yet, so I don't see how that's relevant. Also we're not sure of when Urahara figured out how to destroy the hogyoku or how to release it from a soul. So the actual age of Rukia at the time of its implant is still up for grabs at BEST. Infant however seems the most unlikely.

[sahugani]

Rukia did break the law when she transferred her powers to Ichigo. it was just a matter of time before the length of her stay became an issue and the first crime was noticed. and if Rukia did get implanted at that time then Urahara is an idiot (which we know he's not) because by then Rukia was a shinigami on SS's radar, adopted into a prominant family, and had just broke the law. THAT is a risky bet because soul society would definately come after her. as an infant though, she had no connections and thus he would no make a big stir putting it in her. since rukia only came to the real world reecently and he cannot enter Soul Society, he had to have sealed it while he was still a captain and that timing corresponds best to her infancy. i'm not saying this age definitively, but as a best guess using the information at hand

[ttxdragon]

i don't want to take away everybodies stuff for discussing, but when rukia got the hougyouku implanted doesn't in any way relate to isshin, ryuuken and uraharas relationship, now does it?
the point that isshin didn't have the hougyouku in him is cleared and thus this part of the topic should be put into the archives...

if anybody wants to start a theory about it -- go ahead, but please keep this thread on the relationship of the mans in the thread-title.... thank you.

[sahugani]

got a point and sorry we got carried away

[Sarmad]

Well, as i know the manga, there will be a surprisingly ingenious story behind the relationship between the three old men and their connection to Soul Society.

So, I can't really guess what happened before they left Soul Society or rather stopped being actively involved with things, though we can't really say that either. ^^
Anyway, we've got some hints and tiny bits of information... like when Ulqiorra said that there are only 3 people in the "real world" that actually stand a chance against them. He most likely meant Urahara, Yoruichi and Ichigo. Hence, Ichigo's dad and Ishida's dad have been clearly left out. I doubt that they're too weak for an Arrancar and i believe that both of them played an important role in the past, so there must be another explanation for it.

I assume that they're bevlieved to be dead.

[Cyven]

Well, as i know the manga, there will be a surprisingly ingenious story behind the relationship between the three old men and their connection to Soul Society.

So, I can't really guess what happened before they left Soul Society or rather stopped being actively involved with things, though we can't really say that either. ^^
Anyway, we've got some hints and tiny bits of information... like when Ulqiorra said that there are only 3 people in the "real world" that actually stand a chance against them. He most likely meant Urahara, Yoruichi and Ichigo. Hence, Ichigo's dad and Ishida's dad have been clearly left out. I doubt that they're too weak for an Arrancar and i believe that both of them played an important role in the past, so there must be another explanation for it.

I assume that they're bevlieved to be dead.

Ahh but consider this: Ulquiorra said this after Ryuuken and Isshin destroyed Grand Fisher and that other Arrancer. Meaning there is a possibility this battle was documented by Aizen's forces. It could be that Ulquiorra referred to Urahara, Isshin and Ryuuken, possibly assuming Yoruichi wasn't around.

Not saying you're wrong, just offering a different possibility

[baboysai]

However I agree with Sarmad more. I think that it was Yoroichi and Urahara were the ones meant by Ulqiorra.

[Sarmad]

Ulquiorra must've had some infor

Ahh but consider this: Ulquiorra said this after Ryuuken and Isshin destroyed Grand Fisher and that other Arrancer. Meaning there is a possibility this battle was documented by Aizen's forces. It could be that Ulquiorra referred to Urahara, Isshin and Ryuuken, possibly assuming Yoruichi wasn't around.

Not saying you're wrong, just offering a different possibility

Hmm, i think that Ulquiorra's knowledge about the real world is based on information Aizen gave him about the real world .. and Aizen is obviously aware of Yoruichi's, Urahara's and Ichigo's abilities or rather of their potential to be a threat for him. That's why i take it as very unlikely that Ulquiorra meant the three person you named. But your suggestion could be right nonetheless.

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I really want to see more of the two daddys and Urahara! And i was thinking that they might appear in the HM arc. Ichigo and the rest are most likely (well they are) not strong enough to bring back Inoue. So maybe they'll get some help. That's when the daddys and Urahara show up or rather reveal themselves and rescue everybody. (Cause I think that each of 'em is as strong as Aizen)

However I agree with Sarmad more. I think that it was Yoroichi and Urahara were the ones meant by Ulqiorra.

[pelias]

i don´t think anyone could possibly escape from aizen´s tecnique except having much more power than he does, not only being as strong as

[delapaz13]

my theory is this: urahara's vice captain is tessai tsukabishi (level 99 binding spell without difficulty)Isshin is a captain possibly 5th?his vice captain was aizen (which makes him really old)before even gin became a lieutenant or before shihouin yoruichi left soul society.

[baboysai]

I think that Isshin was 6th division. Because Aizen is quite old, so he hasn't been replaced for long. However, Byakuya's relatively "younger". I mean, Rukia can remember that. So who was captain before Byakuya? That's why Isshin's my bet.

[alekosss_kenpachi]

I dont remember where i saw that but it was some months ago..Isshin may have been some kind of Royal guard of the OU-KEN or smth like that!