Why arent there any stronger and older Whitebeard crew members?

[Fox666]

It is somewhat strange i think that WB never seemed to have that one crew member that was someone who was really strong and was someone who was relatively close to WB in terms of strength. None of the current WB pirates could even hold a candle to WB. While other strong characters such as Shanks and Roger both had that one other pirate that really made people think before doing things. Ie. the first mates Rayleigh and Beckman. And even in the SH's Zoro is someone that is probably close to Luffy in strength, regardless of exactly how close. But WB just seemed to be on a different planet in terms of strength when compared to his crew mates. Which could be one of the reasons as to why the WB pirates were unsuccessful in saving Ace. In large part because no one could stand up to the Admirals other then WB.

C'mon, Marco is such a terrifying guy... the guy handled the Admirals even better than Whitebeard, and the Gorousei included his name along the Yonkou when talking about who could stop Blackbeard...

[BlackHair]

Vista, Jozu and Marco are without doubt on high tier lvl. I think some ppl are rly underestimating them. They were portrayed as equals to Admirals and the only reason they were defeated by them, was due to plot reasons. The WB pirates were doomed to lose. Even before the war begun, everyone saw that coming.

Jozu was only defeated by AoKiji, cause he cared for Marco. True, his own fault for letting himself getting distracted. However AoKijo was shown only beating him because of that distraction, before that they were portrayed as equals. Same case with Marco, who got distracted coz of WB and got defeated by Kizaru. Lastly Vista, to his hype he equally sparred with Mwk.

[kthy0056]

I think the Whitebeard pirates just had the number advantage.

[OdaForPresident]

My theory is that WB didn't become captain of the WB pirates until he was pretty old already, maybe 40-50 years old. We know from his flashback that he always wanted a family and that he had no interest in treasure. The other people in that flashback were his crewmates and they were of the same age. He didn't really look like the captain in that flashback. His crewmates referred to him as 'Newgate' not captain or pops or anything like that.

So WB became a Captain later on and the crewmates he gathered all saw in him a father figure, they were all much younger than he was. So guys like Jozu and Marco might well be the longest serving members of the WB pirates.

So why are there no older members? Because the WB pirates haven't been around as long as WB himself, he didn't become a captain when he was a teenager. Also because it doesn't fit with WB's dream of having a family of his own. It's pretty hard to call some old geezer your son I guess

EDIT: When I put it like this WB seems like a really strange old guy with a thing for younger men....

[hdiuy]

During the war i was hoping to see WB's 1st mate and some older members. I even joked with my friend saying that there maybe a 0 division .( i know that it is mentioned that there exists only 16 division ...) But after seeing the flashback in that arc i'm thinking that by the time WB decided to form his own crew, he is old enough to be a father so....

[bisha16]

I think the Whitebeard pirates just had the number advantage.

i dont think so they were equal or maybe more marines than pirates here is says how many marines were http://manga.animea.net/one-piece-ch...50-page-6.html and i dont think there were more pirates in 40 ships......

[kkck]

I think this might be because of WB's idea of having his own family. Perhaps he went solo as a relatively old pirate and took a bunch of younglings for his crew as he went along. WB was pretty old himself so perhaps crewmembers his age simply did not live until now.

[karamm]

My theory is that WB didn't become captain of the WB pirates until he was pretty old already, maybe 40-50 years old. We know from his flashback that he always wanted a family and that he had no interest in treasure. The other people in that flashback were his crewmates and they were of the same age. He didn't really look like the captain in that flashback. His crewmates referred to him as 'Newgate' not captain or pops or anything like that.

So WB became a Captain later on and the crewmates he gathered all saw in him a father figure, they were all much younger than he was. So guys like Jozu and Marco might well be the longest serving members of the WB pirates.

So why are there no older members? Because the WB pirates haven't been around as long as WB himself, he didn't become a captain when he was a teenager. Also because it doesn't fit with WB's dream of having a family of his own. It's pretty hard to call some old geezer your son I guess

EDIT: When I put it like this WB seems like a really strange old guy with a thing for younger men....

I guess you're right. I remember that flashback too and it makes sense now. However, he did say he wanted a family, and not children, so he could've gathered some old friends.
But maybe he only wanted younger crew mates, so he could lead them into the future or whatever.

[bisha16]

I guess you're right. I remember that flashback too and it makes sense now. However, he did say he wanted a family, and not children, so he could've gathered some old friends.
But maybe he only wanted younger crew mates, so he could lead them into the future or whatever.

I dont thinks so because if you remember right its been said that whitebeard was gold D.roger one of the principal enemys so his older crew must be separated after rogers death (because they want to live a paceful life or who knows what).If he wasnt a captain in that time and dont se how could he be a match for roger

[OdaForPresident]

I'm not saying that WB wasn't captain when Gol D. Roger died. Of course he was a captain, we know that from the flashbacks. Roger died a little over 20 years ago. WB was almost 80 (76 i think?) at the time of his dead. If he started his own crew when he was 40... then he would already have been a captain for at least 15 years before Roger became the pirate king. He could even have started his own crew when he was 50 and there still wouldn't be a problem with him being Roger's greatest rival.

[bisha16]

I'm not saying that WB wasn't captain when Gol D. Roger died. Of course he was a captain, we know that from the flashbacks. Roger died a little over 20 years ago. WB was almost 80 (76 i think?) at the time of his dead. If he started his own crew when he was 40... then he would already have been a captain for at least 15 years before Roger became the pirate king. He could even have started his own crew when he was 50 and there still wouldn't be a problem with him being Roger's greatest rival.

You may be right about that sory i hadnt thought that but i dont think that wb crew would be able to fight with rogers one.Marko vs raylight no chance at all and even ben from the shanks crew looks more stronger than marko but who knows and than when shanks saw marko at wb ship he didnt seem to know him so i dont think wb crew was the same when he was rogers rival.

[roxas_strife2]

Whitebeard called his crew members sons, and it was expressed that he was grooming Ace to be the Pirate King, so it's not like he discouraged his members from going off and becoming captains in their own right. I think a lot of his crew members have just deviated from his crew and made their own, but still remained a close friend to him. That is most likely why he had so many friends to call on for the war. Whitebeard was really old too, guys...

Also, about the admirals, it's been said they are the strongest force the world government has. That being just 3 men, and I honestly don't doubt that. Whitebeard never once had them all come at him at once. The only one he even really crossed swords with was Akainu, and he walked away from that with severe wounds and part of his face missing. Marco did an incredible job all things considered, and was formidable enough to be said he's not far behind the Yonkou and maybe on level with the admirals.

[karamm]

Also, about the admirals, it's been said they are the strongest force the world government has. That being just 3 men, and I honestly don't doubt that. Whitebeard never once had them all come at him at once. The only one he even really crossed swords with was Akainu, and he walked away from that with severe wounds and part of his face missing. Marco did an incredible job all things considered, and was formidable enough to be said he's not far behind the Yonkou and maybe on level with the admirals.

You're definitely right about the Akainu and Whitebeard thing, buut I cant agree with you about Marco. I mean it's just MY opinion, but I dont think Marco is on level with the admirals. As you said, the admirals are only 3 and considered the strongest force, and their logia powers make them even more fearsome, which in my opinion are what make them that strong. I was kind of disappointed to see Marco go down that easily, distracted or not, he still did. It looked like Kizaru was taking it easy as usual while fighting Marco, although not much was shown during their fight.

[kthy0056]

i dont think so they were equal or maybe more marines than pirates here is says how many marines were http://manga.animea.net/one-piece-ch...50-page-6.html and i dont think there were more pirates in 40 ships......

Yeah, but it is said that all powers are in an equilibrium so I assume that all 4 of the yonkou are an equal match for all the marines + the shikibukai.

[scandalous']

Yeah, but it is said that all powers are in an equilibrium so I assume that all 4 of the yonkou are an equal match for all the marines + the shikibukai.

I doubt it. The world government remains because the yonkou probably didn't have any desire to destroy it. At least shanks does not and whitebeard didn't either. Not until they were going to execute ace, even then all he wanted was ace back.
If all 4 yonkou had gone to war with the world government, it would've been wiped of the face of the OP world.

As proven during the war, Just one of the yonkou(claimed the strongest of the 4) + allies can't win against the world government. Had shanks followed whitebeard into war from the beginning, i doubt the world goverment would've been standing victorious. 3 admirals + shichibukai or not, the WG would've lost. Let alone against all 4 of the yonkou...