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I think what he is saying is that Oda's art style, a mix of Hanna Barbara and Dr. Slump, fits the story so well that it would be hard to imagine another artist doing it as well. It's not that Inoue wouldn't know how to draw OP but if he did he would not necessarily improve on what Oda does. I'm going to stop because this is turning into the One Piece fan vs. non OP fan thread and that is very dreary, very off topic, and ruining a great thread
I confess that I barely read mainstream manga anymore. Everything I read is either old or from an alternative anthology like Comic Beam, IKKI, or Manga Erotics. Everyone calls my taste weird but I love unique manga that break stereotypes.
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@ The Other Guys Who Are Nagging My Little Bro Googlez...he has got every right to say kishi is lazy. And we should all have the right to bash mangakas, mangas, characters, everything. Down with political correctness. Only time i would advocate for all this respecting others shit is when it really matters/counts. I always thought that those who try to appear 'fair' at all times are usually the ones with the real issues. BTW i personally like the overall naruto part 2 style. It trumps the old style in clarity. The lines are so much more well defined, and the overall simplistic appearance is a huge plus. Only thing i miss is the shades from part1...but recently kishi is using it again . And you can see how great it becomes when you just add that little trick with the current style.
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@kaiten confess a bit more...give us the names of the weird mangas that you read...P.S. I was more fanboying about inoue than bashing/criticizing op/oda, so no need to take it as a OP vs non OP.
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Sadly I haven't. Although I don't like judging things before trying, I admit I tend to do it myself. That's my other confession I'll talk about in a little bit.
Also no worries about how you feel about the current state of the mangaka's art. You stated your reasons well, and I apologize for thinking you were being overly harsh.
My other confession is that I judge a work before trying even though that's also one of my pet peeves. LOL I had doubts about Naruto, Sket Dance (!) and many others before reading but then I end up loving them all. Now I'm neutral towards everything.
That's good to hear but I think it's nearly impossible to be neutral. As you said, there are always thinks you are sceptical about and in a way, it's sometimes even better to be positively surprised but who am I talking to, you love every forum member equally, so you should be able to be neutral with mangasOriginally Posted by Asarii
Give the shiki anime a try, I'm sure you will like it!
Usually,i don't judge a manga by its art.I don't mind if its art is plain or amazing(well,i still love manga with amazing art) as long as i like the story.
But i have to confess that there is one manga i actually stopped reading because of the art and that would be Ao no Ekusoshisuto.Some of you are probably surprised,but the style of this manga just pains my heart.When i look at it,it's as if someone would stab my eyes.It's terrible.I can't help it.
About the storyboards,in every volume after every chapter they show storyboards.First they show Ohba's storyboard for two pages,which is similiar to the ones Takagi used to do(very simple drawings with the text).Then they show Obata's storyboard of those two pages,which are similiar to Saiko's (obviously).They are very detailed and look nearly like the finished product(which is also shown at the bottom).
Here is one from the first chapter:
And here is one from volume 9(don't know what chapter exactly):
See for yourself,the difference is huge.I don't know if Ohba is actually drawing the manga now,but it seems like a different artist and not Obata.The style is totally different,it's nothing like him anymore.At least in my eyes.
Once again I just noticed that I seem to have to see the protagonist getting crushed by weakness and depression before I can start liking a manga.
There are quite some manga out there where a protagonist appears super strong in the beginning, and then becomes rattled by weaknesses and anxiety at some point (for some reason that often happens between chapter 30 and 40 in Seinen ). And that's the point where I really start liking the story.
Ok, it's not necessarily that way. Some are just likeable right off the bat or too cool to dislike them (category 1: Nonomiya of Nononono. category 2: Gatsu of Berserk). But many seem just too boring when they're on top of everything and first have to crush down
But for more cases than not, that rule applies for me.
Perhaps, that's the reason why I turned to Seinen and why I specifically disliked OP and Bleach. OP/Bleach follow exactly that pattern I mentioned, with a ridiculously strong protagonist at the beginning, who first have to learn what it means to lose. However, Bleach got lost in endless, meaningless fights. And OP is just too naive to display a real, serious crisis for a person like Luffy.
Maybe that's the reason why I was attracted by Naruto in the first place (apart from it beeing the first anime I had seen in a long long time), as Naruto follows a different path. A dropout full of weaknesses climbing up the ladder... and now it became boring to me, as there are too few weaknesses left in most characters
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Actually One Piece did have it, but in chapter 589 instead of chapter 30 :-)
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Did I mention I'm a sucker for good/great romance, especially where the female lead is shy and/or innocent, as well as funny? It's mainly why I like Hapi Mari and liked Love Celeb, as well as Ren-Ai Shoujo or something (Blai'd remember the name).
I confess. I just started watching the new Pokemon season.
I never thought I'll like it, but now I love it. I actually love the Pokemon anime, and really enjoying it.
Now I'm saving for 3ds just for the sake of playing black and white.
I love animes like Pokemon, makes me sit back and go back to being a kid.
Really!!?? sounds nice for you, but I'd still want want a Pokemon special anime.
I heard that Pokémon Best Wishes is pretty good actually. In fact, I might just watch it !
As for Kishimoto, it's all speculation, maybe he wants the art to be as it is now but you could be right. Nevertheless I think he does a good a job, there's always room to improve.
Thanks for clarification regarding Bakuman, I haven't seen the storyboards so far. Still I can't imagine another artist or Ohba himself is doing the drawings now. I couldn't even imagine a reason why they should have switched the artist. As for me, I think the art is still good even though it has changed a lot. You have quite a high standard if you think that the drawings in Bakuman are "bad"
whether the art of a manga is 'bad' or 'good' partly depends on taste. This kind of talk usually goes nowhere. =___=;;
For example: I love 70s mangas but a lot of people are saying 'the art is bad' only because they are not used to the style. In this kind of situation, I would rather say 'the art does not suit my taste' instead of 'bad art', because i feel that the latter can be rather insulting and overgeneralizing.
I would say the art is 'bad' when it does not communicate effectively (ie. confusing paneling, unclear composition, breaking the 180 degree rules, breaking the flow, etc)
Regarding Bakuman's 'bad art', it actually looks so much better on paper than on screen, so yeah...
And i will NOT say Bakuman's art is 'bad', because it actually tells the story effectively. Yes it is simple, yes i can see why people are disappointed because Obata's art in Deathnote is more detailed, but definitely the art is not 'bad'.
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