Gorousei's emblem

[Anduren]

If you want to consider the downfall of mankind, it was caused by Adam and Eve coming into contact with the Devil. Surprisingly we have all three of these alluded to in One Piece: Treasure Tree Adam, Sunlight Tree Eve, and Devil Fruits....all of which are extremely rare in the One Piece world and may have caused the downfall of the ancient kingdom.

Out of the many things the symbol represents, its just as possible that the emblem represents these three things and a relationship between them that has yet to be revealed. I don't know if it's just a coincidence that the Sunlight Tree Eve is directly below the holy land where the Tenryubito live. And we still don't know where the Treasure Tree Adam is or how exactly devil fruits come to the possession of people.

The existence of a giant ship called Noah seems to be hinting at the flood theory which would explain why most of the One Piece world is submerged. Also I have a feeling that once we find out the true history it will make sense to us how Impel Down was built from the sea floor up as well as where all that water in the waterfall at Enies Lobby is going to....and what is causing the giant whirlpool at the tarai current, IF there really was a flood.

Also, reading some of the earlier posts I noticed something that I wanted to point out: Considering that the blueprints for Pluton existed at some point (before it got burned), it implies that its possible to have more than one Pluton at any one time....meaning that even IF there were only three ancient weapons, just using the blueprints would make it possible to have 4 or more....so technically its not possible to say there's only 3 Ancient Weapons until we find out more from the story their role in the void century.

[Ninja_Pirate]

Also, reading some of the earlier posts I noticed something that I wanted to point out: Considering that the blueprints for Pluton existed at some point (before it got burned), it implies that its possible to have more than one Pluton at any one time....meaning that even IF there were only three ancient weapons, just using the blueprints would make it possible to have 4 or more....so technically its not possible to say there's only 3 Ancient Weapons until we find out more from the story their role in the void century.

If you are implying that by having blue print of an ancient weapon it can be rebuild thus increasing the number... but still the type of weapon will remain the same... Franky did tell that the blue prints are not of pluton .. it is just some no name weapon with file cover name pluton since it was to build to oppose pluton... Moreover three no. of weapons is a theory just seeing the pattern and there definitely could be more..

About Fishman island.. There is a tree.. at skypiea there was a tree beam again .. though it happened not long back but finally the poneyglaph has reached the top of the beam ... that means that beam was always there... however finding poneyglaph there was just a coincidence of the knock up stream to knock the island at exact same position.. However considering the similarities in two arcs i would say the poneyglaph for FI might be at the roots of the tree...

[Anduren]

@Ninja_Pirate I agree with everything you said . It was only a technicality that I pointed out. Also, it may very well be that by the end we will find out there actually were only three ancient weapons. But there has been no evidence so far in the story of the number of types of ancient weapons. We've found out about two so far and its been implied that there is as many ancient weapons as one less than the number of poneglyphs since only the Rio Poneglyph contains the true history.

[Ninja_Pirate]

@Anduren .. As per my understanding of poneglyphs .. there are two types.. one contains the history and other tells the location of poneglyph which has that piece of true history... making all this pieces join together.. is what makes rio poneglyph and rio poneglyph is not a stone itself.. it translates as true history which will be weaved by taking short pieces from all available poneglyphs ... Also its not like all poneglyphs gives a location of one weapon.. we have seen a poneglyph at ohara library.. which contains a piece of true history but there was no mention of any weapon when doc clover spoke of it.. what cud be interpreted is that stone contains the name of the ancient kingdom which Dr. clover was about to speak before getting shot... But i remember that robin also knew what was written on that poneglyph that means she must be knowing the name of the ancient kingdom that Dr. clover was about to tell that time... and has been kept secret by oda for later stage///

[Anduren]

@Ninja_Pirate You're right about there being two types of poneglyphs, one containing history and another containing information/location of an ancient weapon. This means that not all poneglyphs other than the Rio Poneglyph contains information about an ancient weapon, so I will concede that. But I have to disagree with some of what you said here:

...one contains the history and other tells the location of poneglyph which has that piece of true history... making all this pieces join together.. is what makes rio poneglyph and rio poneglyph is not a stone itself.. it translates as true history which will be weaved by taking short pieces from all available poneglyphs ...

When Robin was reading out the poneglyph at Alubarna she was reading out aloud the history that had taken place before the void century (years 229 to 325- about 400 years before the void century). So to say that the poneglyphs that contain pieces of the true history doesn't mean they contain pieces of the void century's events....just the time line since before the void century. It is my understanding that the Rio Poneglyph is the actual stone that contains the void century's history as opposed to random historical information. Also, since the poneglyphs were made by the people of the ancient kingdom, it also means that the Rio Poneglyph was the last one they managed to make before their kingdom fell... meaning it contains the last of the true history including that of the void century ending the time line of recorded history woven into the other older poneglyphs located all over the world whose chronological order leads to the Rio Poneglyph at the end. Because of this, its possible that reading ANY of the older poneglyphs that contains historical information can give you the name of the ancient kingdom since the poneglyphs were made during the ancient kingdom's time (not after it fell). I'm guessing this is why reading poneglyphs was banned....not specifically because of the Rio Poneglyph, but because information about the ancient kingdom can be gleaned from studying any one of them, hence the member of the Gorousei who said "Ohara has learned too much" (Chapter 395, page 10) just after he ordered Professor Clover shot.

Tying this back to the Gorousei's emblem and the world government.....If this means that the ancient weapons also existed long before the void century, it's possible that they might not have played a part in what happened in the void century. Or maybe, it was due to the ancient weapons that the ancient kingdom remained in power, and the fall of the ancient kingdom came about when the founders of the world government managed to disable these ancient weapons. This would explain why Franky and the line of shipwrights at Water 7 had blueprints for things capable of opposing the likes of Pluton.

EDIT: I also wanted to make the distinction (just in case) about true history vs "fake" history....the world government has only banned studying the void century meaning they don't prevent the study of history before the void century through books (which contain "fake" history with the ancient kingdom edited out of it). This is why the poneglyphs with historical information contain "true" history....as in the unedited history through the eyes of the people of the ancient kingdom before their existence was erased from books and texts at the time of the void century.

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I tried to draw it but there are too many blurry details.

[chess4]

i willing to bet anything that the gorousei are ancient warriors and during the void century they were the generals who led the attack on the ancient kingdom. For their loyal service, the celestial dragons gave them some type of altered fruit that gave them immortality or long life and allowed them to be the gorusei and ruke the world.

If you look at them they have scares and they look like warriors.....there emblem was probably the sign of the army they led agaisnt the the ancient kingdom

[Uriel]

I tried to draw it but there are too many blurry details.

Nice work!

Well, I guess you'll have a closer look later. If you're using vector it will be easier.

[Geez]

Last chapter proved me right !!

At least for ancient weapons part, for now i can't be sure for the emblem... The number 3 comes often in the story, there are:

1. 3 known races : "Moon men", Fishmen and Men. (all having their sub-species like Giants or Birkans)
2. 3 strongholds : Enies-lobby, Impel-Down and Marineford
3. 3 ancient weapons : Pluto, Poseidon and Ouranos
4. 3 great powers: marines, shichibukai and Yonko
5. 3 types of demon fruits: Logia, Paramecia and Zoan

Imo those who seem to fit the most are the bold ones. I was focusing on the weapons but knowing that the Gorosei doesn't possess one or two of them makes me doubt the theory.
Whereas the strongholds in the Tarai current are quite mysterious. Their shapes are not random, they can be an hint to trigger the giant whirlpool and reveal what is hidden in it. (But again, it's a bit far-fetched 'cause fishmen are near the current and they could have seen what's in there.) So basically, an eclipse should do the trick.

Also I noticed something about the emblem not so long ago. It reminds me of the Seal of Solomon which could allow him to control demons, genies and talk to animals. Even though there are no triangles in the emblem, it's a weird coincidence with the demon fruits
Thus, can we assume they sealed something or someone too dangerous? Maybe the "protective elements" are in fact the keys that sealed the thing which can be Raftel, or Joy Boy himself.
The last one is far-fetched but interesting because, well it's new and we know that he couldn't keep a promise. Was that a willing sacrifice to end a war?

Well, well I come with more questions than answers!!

[kkck]

how about the monster trio (luffy, zoro and sanji) and the purely hypothetical monster trio of the roger pirates (gold roger, silver railey, and bronze -seriously, what are the odds of a bronze not being somewhere around there?)

[GiantAlienHamster]

The emblem has actually been shown quiet clearly in the anime allready:



The thing in the middle is a lilly, which is a symbol for the holy trinity as well as a symbol for royalty

[blamagenkind]

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2577-...apter-470.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2579-...apter-472.html

I dont think the symbol at mareijoa has anything to do with devil fruits, since oda mentioned that whenever anything has to relate to DF it should have some spiral pattern.. which the symbol does not have

I think the three people from the left side of ch.472 are from Skypiea, look the their heads.
Also, I don't think the symbol is really significant, it doesn't feel right that there are too many of them. Maybe it's just an architectural design. But if it does have significance, I'm guessing it's a symbol for the three superpower countries from 800 years ago, the Ancient Kingdom, the World Government and another one(could be the fishmen race). Or the kingdoms from sky, earth and sea.

Edit: or it's just for royalty like GiantAlienHamster said.

[Lord Rayleigh]

The thing in the middle is a lilly, which is a symbol for the holy trinity as well as a symbol for royalty

Thanks for the picture but it's not a lily, it is a Fleur-de-lys. Lily is the english translation of the french word lys which is a flower. Anyway, the word Lys in Fleur-de-lys does not refer to the flower lys : it refers to the river Lys.

So the Fleur de Lys is a flower from Lys and not the flower lys itself. The real flower from the fleur-de-lys is an iris which grew in abundance all around Lys'riverbanks. That's the true origin of the French monarchy symbol.

[Geez]

I think the three people from the left side of ch.472 are from Skypiea

There's an article about this matter here