Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Koshi_Inaba]

6 series in Jump enter the top selling series of 2010
Top-Selling Manga in Japan by Series: 2010:
1 One Piece Eiichiro Oda 32,343,809
2 Naruto Masashi Kishimoto 7,409,068
5 Bleach Tite Kubo 5,204,193
7 Gintama Hideaki Sorachi 3,978,439
8 Katekyo Hitman Reborn! Akira Amano 3,479,219
9 Nurarihyon no Mago Hiroshi Shiibashi 3,269,379

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...by-series/2010

[saladesu]

The gap between One Piece and Naruto is... Big

I'm happy for Mago being on that list. Now I just hope it moves up on the ToCs >< With this arc ending, I hope the new arc is better (not that I personally disliked the Kyoto arc or anything) and that the readers voting like it.

[Mr. Prince]

*manly tears* Oumaga---!! Finally... I'm so happy Still Bottom 5 sucks but it finally(!) showed signs of living and moved up. I'm not just a happy camper but the happiest for the day~ :')

[Koen]

But... Mago so low?! That thing about a manga not being in danger of cancellation even if it doesn't fare well on ToCs as long as it has good tankoubon sales better be true ><

EDIT: Oh and Beelzebub just missing the bottom 5 too :/ That sucks. Hope both Mago and Beel pick up in the rankings, especially Mago!

I have always said that WSJ doesn't care about tankoubon sales at all. Mago is starting to become a new psyren if it doesn't watch out. Starting awful in wsj yet surviving in the competition. Then suddenly it is doing decent/good to finally end up in the bottom.

Mago should be careful because it will be cancellated if it doesn't get higher positions (wheter the volumes sale or not)

[StrangerAtaru]

Heh, I feel so out of it with Jump as of late (busy with life and just no interest to search for scans anymore with everything shut down), but it's weird to see Gintama get it's anime back unless this really is endgame coming up. I haven't really followed anything with Gintama for months though...

And meanwhile I sort of like Toriko and Sket being in the top five, but it does seem like with long-term buffers dissappearing, series like Mago and Beezle are now getting to seem a tad weaker.

[Koshi_Inaba]

I have always said that WSJ doesn't care about tankoubon sales at all. Mago is starting to become a new psyren if it doesn't watch out. Starting awful in wsj yet surviving in the competition. Then suddenly it is doing decent/good to finally end up in the bottom.

Mago should be careful because it will be cancellated if it doesn't get higher positions (wheter the volumes sale or not)

And where did you know this? From what I know they do care, because that's where the money come from. BTW, mind looking at the list I just posted? Mago is only 200k volume below Reborn. IIRC, there was also a chapter in Bakuman that said sales is important once it reach a certain number. Don't get bitter just because Pysren got canceled because it's low sales and rating

[dumbyugi]

I have always said that WSJ doesn't care about tankoubon sales at all. Mago is starting to become a new psyren. Starting awful in wsj yet surviving in the competition. Then suddenly it is doing decent/good to finally end up in the bottom.

Mago should be caerful because it will be cancellated if it doesn't get higher positions (wheter the volumes sale or not)

Psyren had bad sales as well as bad rankings which is why it got canned. Mago has good sales and an anime to help increase popularity, it's in no danger of being cancelled. To-Love ru is a good example of a series which survived on sales alone and only ended because Yamabuki was having personal issues.

[Koen]

And where did you know this? From what I know they do care, because that's where the money come from. BTW, mind looking at the list I just posted? Mago is only 200k volume below Reborn

Come on. The top 8 of WSJ are series that are still doing very good in WSJ. Do you really believe they will say: "mago is in the bottom but it has an anime and it sells good, so let's leave it"? No, they will give it more time but eventually if it is doing a TLR which sold pretty good too, which had an anime too then they will simply end the series in the magazine.

Most people don't want to see that because it is about their beloved series. But I have seen it many times before since I read a lot of cancelled series (from the very short zan to the longer psyren and mx0) I don't say it is instantly in danger but it should watch out that it won't be on that spot for 8 weeks or so because it won't be protected as long as the anime is ongoing or the volumes are selling good

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To-Love ru is a good example of a series which survived on sales alone and only ended because Yamabuki was having personal issues.

No it isn't... TLR couldn't get out of the bottom either at some moment. It was ToC wise a good series too. TLR was ended because it was on a certain moment constantly in the basement

[dumbyugi]

No it isn't... TLR couldn't get out of the bottom either at some moment. It was ToC wise a good series too. TLR was ended because it was on a certain moment constantly in the basement

The fact that TLR has started up again in Jump.sq pretty much, in my mind, confirms that it wasn't canned because of bad rankings. It even got a new anime that's currently airing.

[Koen]

The fact that TLR has started up again in Jump.sq pretty much, in my mind, confirms that it wasn't canned because of bad rankings. It even got a new anime that's currently airing.

Go back in the previous ToC threads and you'll see it was ended because it had bad rankings. Jump.Sq might be from the same publisher, it works independent. You never know that someone in the editorial department managed to get TLR back.

[dumbyugi]

Go back in the previous ToC threads and you'll see it was ended because it had bad rankings. Jump.Sq might be from the same publisher, it works independent. You never know that someone in the editorial department managed to get TLR back.

I agree that this is a possibility. It just seems unlikley to me that a top selling manga would get cancelled from bad rankings when volume sales is where the company earns money. They earn no profit from the magazine. Business wise it would be completley illogical and no company in their right mind would do it.

[Koshi_Inaba]

No matter how passionate some fans looking at the ranking of their series, sometimes they have to remember that for JUMP, it goes down to business, it goes down to Yens. No matter how big the ranking is, if the good old money doesn't come, they don't give a shit. JUMP is owned by Shueisha, a publishing company, not a "I'm passionate about any manga even if it's sales is low" company

[Koen]

issue 43

Asklepios (CP+Cover)
One Piece
Naruto
Bleach
Toriko
Gintama
Chagecha (CP)
Reborn
D.Gray-man
Inumaru
Eyeshield 21
Kochi Kame
Bakuman
Neuro
Mago (CP)
Sket Dance
ToLoveRu
Psyren
Bari Haken
Jagua

#issue 44 an unfixed CP spot

#45

Bleach (Page Couleur)
Naruto
One Piece
Hxh (Couverture et Page Couleur)
Gintama
Toriko
Reborn
Asklepios
Chagecha
Inumaru
Eyeshield 21
Kochi Kame
Mago
Baku-man
To Love
Sket Dance
Neuro
Psyren
Bari Haken
Jaguar

issue #46

Naruto (CP and Cover)
Gintama
Toriko
Reborn
HxH
Bleach
Bakuman
Asklepios
One Piece
Inumaru
Eyeshield
Chagecha
D.Gray-man
Kochi Kame
Neuro
Mago
ToLoveRu
Sket Dance
Psyren
Bari Haken
Jaguar

#47

Reborn (Couverture et Page couleur)
Naruto
Bleach
Toriko
Gintama
Inumaru
D.Gray-man
Chagecha
Eyeshield 21
Jaguar (Page Couleur)
Neuro
Kochi Kame
Asklepios
Hxh
Sket Dance
Baku-man
Mago
Monsters
Tolove
Psyren
Bari Haken

issue #48 sixth just above bottom 5 in between unrated CP sket and unrated HxH

issue #49

One Piece (Cover + CP)
Bleach
Naruto
Gintama
Reborn!
Toriko
Eyeshield 21
Mago
Kochikame (CP)
Bakuman
D. Gray-man
Inumarudashi
Neuro
Binbougami (One shot, CP)
HunterxHunter
Sket Dance
Asklepios
Psyren
ToLOVEru
Chagecha
Gouwan Cyborg Tsutomu (One shot)
PTF! Jaguar

issue #50 CP (unrated TLR)

issue #51

Eyeshiled 21 (Color Page)
One Piece
Toriko
Reborn
Sasurai Kenshi Monogatari (One Shot)
Bleach
Gintama (Front)
Mago
Inumarudashi
Baku-man
Kochi Kame
Hunter x Hunter
Neuro
Sket Dance
Asklepios
Psyren
Ashihara Daisuke / Kashikoi Inu Lilienthal (One Shot)
To Love
Bari Haken
Jaguar
Absent : Naruto, D.Gray-man


issue #52
Bleach (Cover & CP)
One Piece
Bakuman
Naruto
Reborn
Toriko
Gintama
Neuro
Inumaru 1
ES21
Kochikame
Sket Dance
Psyren
Nurarihyon (CP)
Inumaru 2
HxH
Kusorobo (OS)
To Love Ru
Asklepious
Haken (End)
Jaguar

issue #1

オイスター（表紙＋巻頭）
Meister (Cover and center color)

わんぴ
One piece

むるぽ
Naruto

トリコ
Toriko

鰤
Bleach (?)

りぼん
Reborn

金玉　
Gintama

こち亀
Kochi kame

縛マン
Bakuman

いぬまる
Inumaru

愛汁
Eyeshield 21 (Thanks Kirimi!)

ぬるり
Nurihon

サイレン
Psyren

助っ人（C＋人気投票）
Sket Dance (Color and popularity poll)

ハンタ
HXH

とらぶる
To Love

アヌス
Askeptols

ジャガー
Jaguar

Issue 2

Kuroko no Basuke ( Cover & CP )
Naruto
One Piece
Bleach ( CP )
Bakuman
Toriko
Meister ( CP )
Gintama
Eyeshield 21
Nurarihyon no Mago
Sket Dance
Hunter x Hunter
Inumaru
Reborn
Kochikame
To-Love-Ru ( CP ) (unrated)
Neuro
Psyren
Asklepious

#03 (15/12) :
Nishi Yoshiyuki (Auteur Muhyo to Rose) / Bokke-san (New Série, Couv & Pc)
Naruto
Toriko
Bleach
Baku-man
Gintama
Inudaru
Meister
Reborn
Sket Dance
Kuroko (Page Couleur)
Kochi
Psyren
Eyeshield 21 (Page Couleur)
Neuro
Mago
To Love
Askelpios
Jaguar

And so on and so on and so on

I hope that I proved my statement when I say that good selling series with an anime can get canned. WSJ will take the ToC as a measure for cancellation or not

Even the better selling TLR had to make place for the newer lesser selling psyren

[dumbyugi]

No matter how passionate some fans looking at the ranking of their series, sometimes they have to remember that for JUMP, it goes down to business, it goes down to Yens. No matter how big the ranking is, if the good old money doesn't come, they don't give a shit. JUMP is owned by Shueisha, a publishing company, not a "I'm passionate about any manga even if it's sales is low" company

This is my point exactly.

And so on and so on and so on

when good selling series with an anime are that low then they will get canned

But as I said, volume sales and merchandising is where the money is at. An anime usally helps sell more volumes of the manga which means more money for Shueisha.

[Koen]

This is my point exactly.



But as I said, volume sales and merchandising is where the money is at. An anime usally helps sell more volumes of the manga which means more money for Shueisha.

I wasn't discussing about that. I totally agree with that.

I just want to disillusion people who say that volume sales and anime always topple the ToC rating because that won't stop jump from cancelling that series if it is doing very worse in ToCs. They might give it more time than other series but as you can see: CP promoting of TLR together with good volumes sells and anime couldn't stop TLR from being canned in WSJ because of constant bottom 5 positions