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Re: Nnoitra and Luppi vs Grimmjow and Nelliel
Originally Posted by Jackk
True, but still... it was more impressive because of that then. And if we go that route, we have to note that Nnoitra couldn't get her in the face...while Nel was seemingly able to do it quite easily.
Well, we don't know WHERE Nel was hit that caused her to fly backwards, not that it really matters.
Perhaps, but my point was that Nel was not shocked like Nnoitra was when he was kicked in the face and sent flying by said kick from Nel. Like you said, Nel still looked determined. Although I do think that she was still confident too... given that she immediately got back up and used her superior speed to put herself in a position where she could have killed him, had she really wanted to kill him. (I'm really just repeating myself at this point though...)
Yeah, with the same phrasing too
Anyway, I was just saying that the particular page made Noirtra seem pretty good to me.
Well I see where you're coming from, but I have used them before lol... at least when it's evident that they were consistent and had meaning in a particular fight/scene. Just have to know when to use them
lol You use them when they benefit your argument
Well I wouldn't be so sure about stopping ceros with one hand being part of her ability.
Either way though, it really doesn't matter... it still means that she can stop Nnoitra's ceros...thus they will be useless against her.
Yeah, I know Cero(s?) don't matter regardless, but you used her stopping his Cero as a shot against him, and I don't really think it is when you consider her ability.
I'd imagine that throwing the weapon would also carry some significant force, specially if Nnoitra is as strong as you claim. Not to mention that it was thrown at a half dead Grimmjow. Further, Nnoitra even asked if Grimmjow was still alive after that, and then he tries to strike Grimmjow again in order to finish him. Nnoitra was clearly attempting to kill Grimmjow.
Like I said, I'm saying it was likely due to it being more of a story reason than anything. Freeza needed another death beam to finish off Vegeta and was surprised he didn't die from his first attack, I don't really see this situation as being all that different. Regardless, I'd still bet on Noirtra being able to pretty seriously hurt both Grim and Nel if he connects in this fight.
I stated that Kenpachi couldn't cut through Nnoitra hierro at first, even if it was because he hadn't gotten used to his hierro yet... Kenpachi still couldn't cut him initially, while Nel had no troubles cutting through his hierro from the start. That was what I was attempting to point out.
Ahh, I see. Does that really matter? All it means is that a rusty Kenpachi didn't sharpen his Reiatsu as well as a resolved Nel.
She still clearly had the upper hand though; she was doing better than him, which was my point.
Yeah, I know. But I agreed to that already, I've just been saying that upper hand doesn't mean guaranteed victory.
I called it casual because it still wasn't serious enough that he was using both hands with Kendo etc.... I didn't say that Kenpachi was going to win without Kendo; he did state himself that he had to use it.
Why did you put etc after Kendo? What else does he have at his disposal. At that point in time, as far as we knew, that was ALL he had. We know that eyepatchless Kenpachi packs a punch, and he was easily dispatched.
One thing does still confuse me though.
If one Noirtra arm can easily stop a one handed strike, how come six can't stop a two handed strike, which should only be 2 times more powerful (give or take a few small percentages).
Good point. Although, the whole Yammy thing has just been such a....Well, it's been like the Mindfuck Aizen chapter, it just doesn't make sense
And the fact that Nnoitra's style of fighting was very much like Kenpachi's, it's logical that Kenpachi was naturally really enjoying himself. They both really enjoyed to get cut and fight others just for the sake of fighting. Nnoitra had abilities and a personality that really interested Kenpachi.
Yes, Nnoitra has the best hierro apparently;however, we already agreed that Nel can cut through his hierro easily if she can hit him with her weapon. My point about Nel's hierro was simply to point out that her body is technically harder than Kenpachi's (he has no hierro at all)... even if Kenpachi is a tank; Kenpachi himself noted that he couldn't afford anymore cuts, or he would really wind up dead etc.... I also noted that I don't think that Nel would still just stand there and tank hits because she's probably not a tank type;however, I don't think that she would go down if she gets hit by a few strikes from Nnoitra. Then considering that released Nel is likely faster than released Nnoitra (given that sealed Nel was faster than sealed Nnoitra), I would say that Nel definitely has a good chance of beating Nnoitra. Besides, I'll reiterate that I see this as Grimmjow and Nel Vs Nnoitra, which puts it even more so in favor of Nel's team... in my opinion.
Uhhuh. Keep in mind I'm not disagreeing on the whole "Nel and Grimm have the advantage" part. Just that I don't see Nel's Hierro as sufficient enough to make a difference in this scenario, as it's so minor that to factor it in would be pretty useless as a definitive aspect.