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Ahh...you've gotta love wiki...one can fit in almost anything in that 'definition' starting from berserk to bleach. The thing is...lit is always more about feeling rather than grammer, or so i believe. 'twist' is something that twists what a readers feeling/perception about the work. Clues should be hidden and the 'apparent' foreshadowing should be misleading in case of twist...till its time of revelation where the reader suddenly sees the hidden clues which, if noticed earlier, would've acted as foreshadowing for the real event. another type of 'foreshadowing' associated with plot twist would be keep pointing at a certain point when something of great importance will happen, but when that point comes something happens which was unexpected by the reader. That is not foreshadowing of the actual outcome of the twist, rather its a foreshadowing of 'something of importance to happen at that point' and that something turning out to be a twist. I believe that was what meant by the wiki definition. it was not exactly defining the effect of twist when it was talking about 'foreshadow or shock'...i think it was more commenting on the way the effect is delivered. In case of 'foreshadowed twist' you expect something to happen and yet get surprised, while in case of 'shock twist' you expect nothing at that point but get a totally unexpected surprise.
So i would rather term 'Berserk twist' a 'defining development' whereas the 'Bleach twist' would be more appropriate to term as a 'shocking development'. A twist should be suprise+retrograde effect+change in 'anticipated' course of plot. 'Eclipse' gets none of them ticked, it has great importance on plot development, but it neither surprises,nor changes the readers' perception of previous proceedings of the manga, nor it takes the plot to direction that was unforeseen. 'Aizen' at least gets the 'surprise' and 'unexpected change' correct...but retrogade build up is what is missing. Also the 'unexpected change'...though unexpected, is rather shallow.
Last edited by ashher; January 11, 2011 at 12:37 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
At last, my vote goes to Vinland because it has the same great impact on the story and was completely unexpected. It's above Bleach because I really love Askeladd's character, because it's a far better executed story than Bleach and maybe because it's more fresh in my head.
by the way ; the real plot-twist in naruto should be this one in addition to whats written in the opening post imo ;
I have to vote for Bleach's in this category ( or at least I think that's the one hit ). I pretty much based this on two things, I am familiar with the series and it was pretty unpredictable:
One Piece's didn't really effect the plot (especially considering the main character already knew).
I haven't read Berserk in such a long time I'm not even sure what's being referenced there so I couldn't vote for it.
I haven't read enough of Vinland Saga to understand the significance of that plot twist so I also couldn't vote for it.
I really couldn't vote for Naruto's. Honestly, I found it very cliche.
My vote was between Bleach’s and Berserk’s, but in the end I decided to vote for Bleach’s. Why? Because I wasn’t expecting
Yes, that one is a WTF moment as well, but it undeniably was a giant plot twist too. Just see how much the story and characters have turned due to this!
and I honestly knew who would do that in VS. did you really expect one of the other 3 to do that?
Last edited by AlB; January 20, 2011 at 01:46 PM.
It really didn't surprise me when I here finally got confirmed that this twist was not planned at all but only made afterwards in order to prolong the plot. It felt so very, very made up to me already...
Such twists have to be executed better to be believable imo, it only annoyed me in this case.
Also, undisputably the quality of Bleach went down drastically afterwards. The twist wasn't used well in the end, it was the upbeat to some of the worst parts of Bleach, which even many Bleach fans accept.
I don't think that such a twist came too early either. At an unexpected time, perhaps, but not a bad timing at all imo.
you know Roflkopt3r, I think we'll never agree on this
Ah allright, I see your point now. Obviously it's always sad to lose things which contributed so greatly to a story so far, but don't you think that it is also exiting? So many characters were ruined by appearing far longer than they should have, while such a big twist can prove worthy of such a sacrifice.