Claymore 112 Discussion/113 Predictions

**Joe7133** · February 04, 2011 06:09 AM

Well, I think Miria went to the East to attach the Organization HQ. How else would there be a lot of Claymore there. Otherwise all the Claymore ladies would sense the Yoma or AB being created at that range.

One of the chapter did mention east to the girl and north to the boys. So the all the girls became Claymore and all the boys became AB's or Yoma's.

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chapter 50 pages 16-17: Rubel says it

I think that when they want a certain Claymore dead, they send them north. I feel for Anastasia group. Her group was just like Miria group. Send to their death.

**Goral** · February 05, 2011 07:46 AM

I recommend reading Kinematic's post. The best chapter analysis I've read.

**kaliayev** · February 08, 2011 06:20 PM

Sigh, it's nice that Yagi is still wasting pages with revelations that were predicted years ago.

Given the trend of the narrative and certain loyalties, I think the group will opt for rescuing Miria. The manga has often created catastrophic consequences for personal/sentimental choices that the protagonists make, while emphasizing that these choices separate the "human" claymores from their creators/awakened beings in an ethically positive way. Some that come to mind are Theresa's death/Priscilla's awakening, Clare's quest for vengeance, Miria's hesitation in regards to killing warriors, etc. Given what the ghosts are, they'll try to save Miria, while Dae's experiments will knock on the door in the distant future.

As mentioned, Dae is likely to be located at the lab. That is, Yagi has given us an overlying issue, which the characters are unaware of, to the divergent paths. Yagi likes to hold teasers over our head for a lengthy period of time before showing the final product. We've seen the defense that the org's HQ has to offer, while we've only gotten hints at what Dae is ultimately constructing. While we can certainly assume an enjoyable fight between the ghosts and the prawns + mc chick, the latter antagonists were rendered obsolete the moment they disclosed their power to us and smacked Miria around.

p.s. Expect Rubel to have yet another conversation with the ghosts after they take out the org's HQ.

p.p.s. One also needs to keep in mind that Dae's latest experiment is meant to primarily counter Priscilla. At the moment, the merged Clarescilla is dormant. Dae's creations will probably have an effect on said dormancy. This makes these two elements complements in the plot. It would be wasteful to have either emerge without the other.

**Joe7133** · February 08, 2011 11:51 PM

Here is something strange about the setting. From my understanding and a map that Tabitha drew up in one of the chapter. The land was like a cross star with the holy city in the center. East is where the Org. HQ is at. North is the Org. Lab for the male. South is Luciela <Dead> or <merge to Destroyer>. West is Riful<Dead as we know of it.>

Miria went to the East to the Organizatioin HQ. It's the only way there was so many Claymore there. Miria as we know of it was hacked up. <Saw her hand cut up and Claymore jumping on her with their Claymore.>

Anastasia group was sent north. Probably to purge her and her friends and some of the low level trouble maker Claymore like Clare group. This is why they saw the man awaken being.

**** Here's what is strange ****

To my understanding, didn't the remaining Ghost group left the Holy city <Center of map> and were suppose to go East to the Org. HQ. How the heck did they find themselves up in the north helping Anastasia group? Do they not know where the Org. HQ is at? Did they went north to find the Lab? Weren't they going to go find Miria? Did we miss something with Helen telling them to go North? Did Miria went North into the Lab instead of the East? If so, why were there so many Female Claymore there? None of the Claymore knew of the North Lab.

**HegemonKhan** · February 09, 2011 02:18 AM

I can answer this, as you don't quite have some of the geography correct, and you are missing the dialogue about it, hehe.

This might not make that much sense as I'm going to try to do this via typing, as a picture would be much better for this. But, I'll do my best.

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the (relatively small) Island's shape is basically that of a PLUS (+) sign. So the Org divides it into 4 lands:

the shape of this is like an unfolded box (no top, so it's 5 squares), except that the center "square" land doesn't exist, and so instead the borders of the 4 "outer" lands form an X in this center "square".

1. Alphonse: the northern land: No AO -> Isley -> Isley+Priscilla -> No AO
2. Luatrec: the western land: No AO -> Riful -> Riful+Alicia+Beth+Priscilla+Destroyer -> Priscilla+Destroyer -> No AO
3. Mucha: the southern land: No AO -> Luciela -> Isley+Priscilla -> No AO
4. Sutare*: the eastern land: No AO -> ~Isley -> ~Riful -> Luciela -> ~Rosemary -> ~Priscilla -> Alicia+Beth (Org) -> Trainee Twin AOs (Org)

*Anime: Sutafu

However, the Humans divide the Island into 5 lands:

instead of the 4 lands' borders making an X in the middle, this unrecognized (by the Org) "central land" is known as Toulouse by the Humans. Thus these 5 lands divide the Island into an unfolded box (no top, so it's 5 squares) shape.

1. Alphonse: the northern land: No AO -> Isley -> Isley+Priscilla -> No AO
2. Luatrec: the western land: No AO -> Riful -> Riful+Alicia+Beth+Priscilla+Destroyer -> Priscilla+Destroyer -> No AO
3. Mucha: the southern land: No AO -> Luciela -> Isley+Priscilla -> No AO
4. Sutare*: the eastern land: No AO -> ~Isley -> ~Riful -> Luciela -> ~Rosemary -> ~Priscilla -> Alicia+Beth (Org) -> Trainee Twin AOs (Org)
5. Toulouse: the central land: No AOs (Neutral/Human)

*Anime: Sutafu

Luatrec (the western land):

1. Lacroa town: directly to the west of Rabona Holy City (the very center of the island), situated just to the west of the unrecognized N-S border between Luatrec and Toulouse. This is where Clare, Yuma, Cynthia, 2 BCs, 3 Claymores, Rubel, and a female AB are.

2. Huge Forest: to the west of Lacroa town in the middle of (and most of) Luatrec. Clare, Ophelia, Raki, Irene, Rafaela, Riful, Dauf, Renee, Cynthia, Yuma, Rubel, Alicia, Beth, Priscilla, AFs, Destroyer, half-merged bodies of Rafaela+Luciela, and hellcats are found here.

2A. Castle Ruins: inside this huge forest and near to Gonal Ruins, is a castle. This where Riful, Dauf, Clare, Renee, Destroyer, and half-merged bodies of Rafaela+Luciela are. This castle will be destroyed into ruins from the Destroyer's Awakening.

2B. Crater Valley: within the huge forest is a valley surrounded by mountains on all sides. This is where Irene was hiding. Irene, Clare, and Rafaela were here.

2B. Speculation: Godahl Plateau is where Teresa fought+killed Rosemary. Godahl is very similar to Gonal. So, maybe this place is the same place as Crater Valley. They do look the same as well (if I remember correctly). So it's possible, Irene built her cottage right on top of where Teresa buried Rosemary, lol.

3. Gonal Town Ruins: This was a town, but the Gonal single digit (ranked) female AB destroyed the town. Clare,

3. Ticheri Town: between Lacroa Town and the Huge Forest, and maybe slightly north a bit. This town is in a barren-rocky area.

4. north of Ticheri Town: Dae and his Retrieval Unit's initial location before going south to Ticheri town to capture Raki. This is a barren-rocky area too.

*5. Doga Town: Raki's home town, where Clare first met Raki. Priscila and Renee were here too.

*This town may not be in Luatrec, as it could be in Mucha or even on the border with Sutare.

6. nearby Doga Town: Riful+Dauf capture Renee after she leaves Doga Town.

7. Twin Goddesses of Love Statue (Big) Town: in the anime give a name to this town, Hanel. In the manga, this town is never given a name. It's to the NW of the Huge Forest (at least that is the direction that Clare told Raki to go in, when they split up).

8. Zakol Mountains: nearby the Twin Goddesses of Love Statue (Big) Town.

8A. Castle (orginally Buried/in a mountain, but now is in) Ruins: The Witches Maw chapters/arc. Riful's changing to her Awakened form/body destroys this originally buried in a Mtn castle (and the Mtn itself) into ruins.

9. the town before Clare goes to Gonal Town Ruins

10. I forgot the town names in the early chapters of the manga, before Clare goes to Rabona with Raki and becomes a HA.

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.....argh, this is taking too long... lol

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your specific questions:

Sutare (the eastern land):

Northern Sutare:

there's a mountain range here that extends west into Alphonse and east+south all the way to the Org HQs. Within this mountain range is a secret pass along it. This is where Anastasia, Nike, Phina, Keira, Deneve, Helen, Tabatha, Dietrich, Cynthia, Yuma, the male ABs, and the nearby secret "lab" is.

Eastern Sutare:

the Org HQs, which was once Staff City (city of the far east) before the Org came to the island 100 years ago and took it over, making it into their HQs.

to the SW of the Org HQs:

a secret town hidden inside the forest, that Miria at least read about in the Org Archive.

to the W of the Org HQs:

a Forest, it also extends south as well, where the secret town is hidden within it

to the W of the Forest:

this is the closest town to the Org HQs. It is the town where Alicia Zemas and Beth Zemas were forcibly taken from their parents, with Exiled/Banished Rafaela arriving just afterwards to hear the townsfolk talking about it. Also, trainee Teresa frequently ran away to this town as well, and she happened to encounter Exiled/Banished Rafaela.

If I remember right, Yuma's (or is it Cynthia's or both's?) home town is somewhere in Sutare

last Q of yours, answered: Upon entering Sutare, Tabatha scans "far ahead" with her DYSA (Distance Yoki Sensing Ability), and they decide to go north (within Sutare) to rescue Anastasia's group and investigate the strange Yoki "up" (north) there too.

**Joe7133** · February 10, 2011 05:23 AM

Anyway, here is the map so you can see it for yourself.

http://www.mangareader.net/485-29394...hapter-83.html

Chapter 83 page 3 show's the actual map of their country. Looking at the map, I don't see how they can still go north and then east. Just don't make sense to me. Unless the lab is not north but it's actually north of the eastern territory. Then all the thing said about North for the boys is all wrong too. And again, with all the sensor type Claymore could have detect all the male AB too. This doesn't seem logical.

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Re-reading this chapter. http://www.mangareader.net/485-29395...hapter-84.html

I finding it clear what Rubel intention of trying to cover up Miria group or even go to trying to get rid of them. It's been what the Organization was trying to achieve. Rubel is so sly.

**wickedsmile** · February 10, 2011 03:07 PM

Rubel is man with his own agenda. Clearly he didn't tell the Organization of Irene's desertion nor did he tell the Organization about Priscilla's true awakening. Otherwise, the number 3 ranked Galatea would have known about her. Also, how did Rafaela discover Irene? She had hidden her youki for so many years, I don't believe a single warrior would have identified her. However, Rafaela who was alive at the time clearly knew to whom the aura belonged. Who but Rubel would have sent Rafaela to execute Irene. Apart from Clare, Irene remained the only witness to Priscilla awakening.

Also, while Dae addressed Rimulto and the other MIBs, he didn't make any mention of Priscialla. Instead, in his thoughts, he knew a "great pain had returned."

His actions don't always benefit the Organization but they don't always benefit the Ghosts as well. Clare should have just lopped his head off at their unexpected reunion, seven years after the fall of Pieta.

ws

**warriorofvirtue** · February 18, 2011 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by llamapie

I think this chapter was set up clearly for the organization to make Raki into a claymore. Think about it. He is already crazy strong for a human, making him into a Claymore would be incredible. So the organization gets to take someone with excellent potential and give them some demon meat. :P My guess is they implant him with Isley.

OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMGGGGGGG!!! I didn't get enough of that Isley Awakened form. It would be cool if Raki could somehow have dual awakenings and control them.............part of me doesn't want this to turn out cause it would change the manga.

Of course I wouldn't mind seeing a return of Rigardo or somethin.

**wickedsmile** · February 19, 2011 03:09 AM

The true sense of irony is if the Organization used Raki as a weapon against the Ghosts. In the end, it would come down to a confrontation between Clare and Raki with one ending the life of the other. It has a sadistic twist to it that befits the Organization's actions. It's an event that would have implications and rammifications on par with Clare killing Teresa or vice versa.

Also, if the Organization did use him as a weapon, they could use him to counter Priscilla. It's evident that he knew of Priscilla's true "awakened nature." However, from the few panels that Yagi drew of both of them, it's apparent that Raki became quite fond of Priscilla. Ignoring the fact that Priscilla means to kill Clare, I wonder if Raki could actually draw his sword against his former travelling companion of the northern lands.

ws

**HegemonKhan** · February 19, 2011 03:22 AM

chapter 81 pages 21-22:

Raki said he would:

If Priscilla started to eat humans again, he would try to stop her.

Priscilla indeed return to her cruel Awakened mentality, and he somehow survived with Priscilla's arm impaled into his back...

(jokingly-somewhat...) he's got to be inhuman... to survive having a (censored) arm impaled deep/fully* into his back !!!!!!

*Priscilla's arm had to be entirely submerged inside his back, as if it stuck out, I'd think Dae and the Retrieval Unit BCs would instantly know/suspect that his "hunchback" is the source of him resisting the 2 small hellcat projectiles in his left shoulder, lol.

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there's a debate though about:

was Priscilla trying to kill him or save him?

and did he actually try or at least intended to try to kill Priscilla, or not?

**wickedsmile** · February 20, 2011 01:38 PM

From what I gathered, Priscilla did not intend to kill Raki and did attempt to help him, after the Destroyer impaled him with the two projectiles. We know that she used Raki to track the source of Clare's scent that lingered on him. Perhaps, she held a small sense of gratitude towards Raki, which stayed the ultimate blow.

It wouldn't be first time that Priscilla failed to kill someone. Ilena did survive her encounter. Whether by design or by luck, I hope that Yagi will elaborate on this, in future chapters.

I honestly think that Raki grew fond of Priscilla. He did travel with her for many years. Even Isley remarked that there was a small sense of family that existed between the three. He lamented its short life and ending as his own flashed upon him. Imho, it's one of the more poignant scenes in the entire manga.

ws

**HegemonKhan** · February 20, 2011 09:03 PM

Raki says that he's more doing it, to follow in Clare's footsteps. Clare helped him, so he's "helping" Priscilla. He seems to merely have a companion relationship with Priscilla, caring about her just to look out for her (not that she actually needs it, lol), than actually really caring about her. He doesn't like or love her, unlike how he does with Clare. He seems himself as her guardian, as a duty, and not an intimately personal interest in doing so. He's friendly with her, but he has no actual intimate interest in her. He's doing it more as a duty, versus truly caring about her.

at least this is what I gleamed from his chat with Renee about Priscilla while they were all in his home town, Doga Town.

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the Problems with Priscilla+Raki 's "divorce":

If Priscilla wanted to kill him, he should definately be easily dead/killed by her. Even if she was attacking him, trying to kill him, and he reacted in time to cut off her arm before she sends her tentacles all over the inside of his body (like how she killed Riful), she could still kill him just like that with another attack. So, this seems to suggest sh wasn't trying to kill him, as she did let him live, as nothing nor he could stop her had she wanted to kill him.

However, impaling an arm into Raki, and leaving it inside him, is a bit suspicious as well, and not very "caring", lol. We know Priscilla's flesh was preventing the Infection Ability of the two small hellcat projectiles in his shoulder, but couldn't she just send a tentacle into him, and not her entire arm... To me, the only thing that makes sense with her arm being impaled into his back, is if she was attacking him (doing so from behind as well - impaling her arm into his back, suggests this too) and he thus cut off her arm with his broad sword. However, even if he managed to do this, Priscilla could have killed him just like that with another attack...

either option (Priscilla trying to kill him or save him), doesn't make much sense to me, argh...

also... if she was trying to kill Raki, it's amazingly inhuman that he could react in time to cut off her arm, and then somehow survive if she tried to kill him again... until for whatever reason she took off and left him alive. He would have the speed of Noel, Clare, Deneve, and/or Helen, as they're the only ones that could move fast enough against Priscilla thus far.

**~~ZERO PHOENIX~~** · February 21, 2011 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsmile

From what I gathered, Priscilla did not intend to kill Raki and did attempt to help him, after the Destroyer impaled him with the two projectiles.

True.

Originally Posted by wickedsmile

It wouldn't be first time that Priscilla failed to kill someone. Ilena did survive her encounter. Whether by design or by luck, I hope that Yagi will elaborate on this, in future chapters.

There really isn't anything to elaborate on. Priscilla thought she killed Ilena. She didn't. That's really all there is to it. There is nothing to elaborate on. Ilena already said that after she was struck down she pretended to be dead so as to save herself during that incident.