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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
you do realize that if those spoilers are true, the only reason he's even asking kosugi's opinion 'right off the bat' is because he just lost 2 supporters in his little circle. if they hadn't dropped out, i'm sure nanamine would disregard kosugi like he has been doing.
Only 2 people dropped out. That means there's only 48 right now. I don't think it makes a difference. I think even if those 2 didn't drop out, Nanamine would still ask Kosugi's opinion the way he did in this chapter.
I don't think the 2 people that dropped out was the factor. Like Newkerzy said it's just a miserly 2 people out of 50. However, I don't think Nanamine is asking for Kosugi's opinion out of any respect for him or anything. Rather, I think he's sort of testing Kosugi to see what he responds. If Kosugi hadn't given the 'correct' answer which was the stuff about the artwork, most likely Nanamine would not ever ask him again. At the very least, the fact that Kosugi gave him the answer he wanted, will maybe make Nanamine respect Kosugi a little bit more (but based on his character, probably not ).
How so?? I'm actually more inclined to believe in Nanamine's judgment. If anything, JUMP should be the antagonist in this arc, not him. In fact, I would support Nanamine.
Chapter isn't out yet, but i am speculating Nanamine's new assistant is Nakai
This is just a wild stab in the dark, but if those two guys really team-up and Nakai hasn't change his attitude, looks like the duo will be set up as the antagonist of this series.
assholes team up
add the pervert moe mangaka (whose name i forgot) in the mix, we shall have the trio we'd love to slap xDD
Last edited by R4n; February 24, 2011 at 03:14 AM.
to me it is pretty obvious it's nakai
>"No matter what background I need, he can draw it from whatever angle without looking at any reference material. He can even do betafura (TN: I need to think of a better way to translate this but these are the spiky bubbles done with tones like this), and can draw whatever he wants just as he imagines it."
hello, doesn't this ring a bell anyone? This is pretty much, almost word to word, how fukuda introduced nakai
I don't think nanamine is being fair to the editor at all, i think he is just playing with him. For him "51" doesn't mean "one of 51" but more like "50 important people, and then this one guy i could care less" at least thats how he acted until now. He hears the opinion of that guy, but like someone else said in this thread, if he hadn't said the correct answer he would have neglected his comment at all.
P.s.: I think editors are useless too, however i still don't agree with what nanamine is doing, because i realized over my years that you can't rely on someone else, at least not if you don't pay him/them. This chapter proved it, and it will continue, that is that a lot more people will drop out.
P.p.s.: I think editors are useless because people who only studied writing/art in school don't have the neccesery experience to be an editor(on this case i am with nanamine) i think ex-mangaka would be better for this job, or at least train an editor before you give him a mangaka.(they kinda do this, by making a new editor supervising a new mangaka, but it could hurt the new mangaka more than it would help the new editor)
I don't think that Nanamine's strategy is bad, but as an artist is just lame. I mean, if you only want success and make money, then it's ok, go for it. But as Nizuma Eiji said, "I can't see his face" because is not real original manga, and Nanamine can't call his work as his own style, his own manga. Yes, it's his own style of doing things, but it's not his style of making/creating manga. It's a manga without soul, without pride on your own work, Nanamine is just like Tite Kubo or Akira Toriyama nowadays, it's just a bunch of interesting ideas together.
I, as mangaka-wanna-be, have discovered that finding your own style and creating your own stories, even alongside with a friend or two as scripters, is what makes you love to keep drawing and trying harder. Nanamine just wants the easy way, he does not love manga, he just want to be famous and make money.
On top of that, as Ashirogi Muto and his editor stated, Nanamine's characters aren't enough developed, so Nanamine's work may have good story with a compendium of very good ideas, but a manga needs powerful characters to move that story. Death Note is Death Note because it has L and Light Yagami, without characters like that I wonder if it would have been that good.
I predict that the main problem Nanamine will find it will be his characters. And let's not forget that this is a JUMP manga, Tsugumi Ohba may want to create controversy around this topic of "editors VS no editors", but in the end, Ashirogi Muto must win this contest if Takeshi Obata and Tsugumi Ohba want to keep their jobs. XD
Last edited by saladesu; February 24, 2011 at 10:31 AM.
Love this chapter if it is actually true... I think as most people think Nakai will be returning. As expected Bakuman w/ an antagonist is a sure hit but I think it is better to have an older mangaka antagonist rather than a new one..
Frankly, I really hope Ohba and Obata is being honest in this arc but too bad Jump is probably threatening them behind the scenes.
Last edited by saladesu; February 24, 2011 at 10:31 AM.
It didn't occur to me that this assistant could be Nakai, but good point and yes now I do think it is him How obvious it was actually, how could I have missed that! Anyway, I think it's an excellent way to introduce Nakai back into the story if it really is him.
I suppose Ohba-sensei (Obata-sensei has little to no say in the story so not much of a point bringing him up, actually It's not the same kind of relationship as Saikou and Shuujin) is given a certain amount of freedom, or else we wouldn't have characters criticizing the survey ranking system of Jump in past chapters. To what extent he has this freedom, is another story.
For the nth time, Ohba foreshadowed an assistant again. I'm kinda doubting if it's really Nakai because Nananime will surely fail big in the end. Kinda weird to introduce Nakai in a boat that we know will sink soon. Although if that's really the case, i wonder how Ohba will make his name smells good after this arc.
I'm guessing that team Fukuda will make an initiative move when Nananime debuted. Ashirogi doesn't need to say it to them explicitely. Both Eiji and Fukuda will rank higher than Nananime's manga.
I agree that the assistant is likely Nakai based on the spoiler translation, but it makes absolutely no sense to me that he would take the job.
If he wanted a job as an assistant, he could get one in a heartbeat. Absolutely, unquestionably. He could probably also get a job drawing a manga though that would take time to arrange. This makes it highly unlikely that he would have been looking for a job as an assistant online. Could Nanamine have found out that he was out of work and contacted him? I guess, but it doesn't seem likely to me that he would come out of retirement for him and not listen to Mashiro who he was friends with.
Unless, Nanamine appealed to a hypothetical bitterness of Nakai in regards to Jump. I have no idea what that bitterness would be based upon, but if he was bitter, I could see him leaping for a chance to stick it Jump which helping Nanamine could be seen as.
tl;dr: Nakai returning in this situation would be a terrible plot move.
Bakuman 122 Raw Scan out on MangaHead, it's too soon this week
there too much pop up i'll prefer here