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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
5 kills my personal best.
Well, it is in it's infant stage still, but I really like the new update, and on next one we're gonna have a deviant as well
Ah, so you are developing the game? Good job. I did notice there was something different the second time I play, the update seems to be a decent improvement (I also got to 4 kills). A deviant? That would definitely be hard considering how they work in the manga but I will definitely look forward to it.
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What I am particularly having trouble with is those small titans at this point. Its extremely difficult to get to those damn napes and avoid the attacks. I will get it eventually though...
And yeah, smaller ones were harder to deal with, but since the new special attack, they are much easier to handle. The bigger giants are also much easier now due to the fact that you can stay attached on your cable for as long as you want with Q and E.
What special attack? I noticed they could attack in a few more ways but I did not notice a special attack of any sort..
EDIT: Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere, but it might be wise to have this guy craft a bunch of those, just in case Titans decide to attack us sometime in the future
Last edited by Bandreus; June 25, 2013 at 08:47 AM.
Overall I have been wondering if the overall personality we have seen from berholt is actually his real one. As far as reyner goes I think we have seen his personality as a whole pretty well. Even if he is an asshole he does seem to be honest at heart which is why his actions made him go insane and loose sight of reality. The issue is that berholt is not going through that.... Reyner has risked his life for others and he has gotten involved with everyone as a whole but yet berholt has remained on the margin of the scene. I believe that the reason for that is that he simply does not involve with others more than he should. But if he has maintained his sanity and overall he has not gotten involved himself with others it would make sense we have not actually seen what he really is like. And even now he seems more concerned about reyner being insane than anything else... Perhaps once he actually gets comfortable with someone he will be significantly different from what we have seen so far.
The moment he admits pity for Eren, I come to firmly believe he's a true neutral type, if you're familiar with alignments. That is someone who doesn't concern himself with others who aren't important to him, someone who only watches by the sidelines, involving himself only to help his own or his friend's situation. To be honest, I doubt he even agrees to come inside the walls deep down, but only tagging along because Reiner is here. Also, it's not like being honest can be considered a good quality of him. Let's consider it this way, he is honest with Eren rather than using Reiner's argument later on. That's probably because Eren isn't his concern at all, that's why he can give such an indifferent answer and pours the slightest sympathy. To him, this isn't his honesty, rather this is the brutal reality of this world he believes in.
If he really is what I think he is, then I can very much personally relate to him, but I'm really not a big fan of this type of character lol.
I don't think bernholt's comment on feeling pity is all that significant to be honest. Overall, why should it? Bernholt so far seems perfectly aware of what he was doing and unlike reyner his sanity is not slipping past him. What else was he supposed to say? bernholt was a warrior with a mission when he attacked the walls, that is it. He went to do his mission knowing full well that it would cost the lives of everyone there. So far R&B have not been portrayed as random dr evil wannabes who want to destroy the world for no reason, they are warriors and whatever the cost they believe there is a reason for what they are doing which is why they are able to murder all those people. So.... bernholt feeling pity for eren is the only thing he could have felt. Its like a boss firing someone so to speak. The boss did not enjoy it, he won't take pride on it either but he sure as hell won't regret it because it had to be done. Bernholt almost certainly feels genuily sorry for eren but in the end he did what he had to do.
As far as him being neutral... I don't think that makes much sense with what we know. Since he does retain his sanity he is perfectly aware of the fact that he is an enemy of mankind. He is aware that he is responsible for the deaths of 20% of the human population at large, he is aware that EVERYONE hates him and he is aware that each and every one of his peers is his mortal enemy. Bernholt at large simply did not get emotionally involved with the enemy. When it came to dangerous situations it was reyner who saved everyone but the current implication is that bernholt himself would have left them die and not bat an eyelash.
As for the second part, sorry I was unclear, true neutral does not specifically mean a character has a neutral political stance. It's a personal, moral stance, and it only means he only concerns about things he cares about. Not getting "emotionally involved with the enemy" and leaving "them die" can be a part of it. In fact, I'd like to think the reason he could be so sane and retain his grounds (unlike Reiner) is all thanks to his 'neutrality.' The only reason I bring this neutrality talk in is because I suspect (pretty much evidence-less lol but hey) he's only here because of Reiner.
Well, I think R&B are an interesting couple indeed (they are totally into each other btw). Those two has been through some pretty nasty sheit.
They probably were raised as fundamentalists (remember their flashbacks, espcialy the one about Annie's father), have witnessed horror themselves (Ymir devouring a friend of theirs and Titans attacking their village). Also, they had to (were forced into?) go on a very dangerous mission among enemy lines and god only knows what else.
I find Reiner to be the most interesting of the two. I really believe he is sincere in all instances. He's a warrior, proud of it, and with a strong sense of duty. He values determination and bravery onto anything else (to the point of stubborness), and immediately respects Eren as soon as he hears his whole story. He believes in such high and noble ideals that he suffers a fierce internal conflict when getting to know the (so viscerally hated) enemy better, causing his split personality. He is really ready to put his life on the line when saving Connie, would do the same for all of his Soldier companions, and would undoubtedly do the same for Berth. Regardless, he knows what he did was bad and unforgivable (even more so because he got to know not every human is as ugly as he once thought), surely feels guilt about it, but will be carry his duty no regardless such for the sake of being a warrior.
I believe Bertholdt has been true to himself too right from the start. It's just he doesn't really seem to believe in what he's doing as much as Reiner is. If I would have to guess, I'd say Bertholdt is pretty content with doing whatever he's told to. After all, he is both a coward and lack any self confidence. By doing someone else's bidding, he doesn't even have to bother believing in what he's told to believe into (and, by doing so, feeling perfectly fine with it). By doing so, he would always be able to just state "it's what they told me to do", in fact he also admits he doesn't really consider himself responsible for whatever he is doing ("I don't have a will of my own"). He doesn't seem to really give a shit about anyone but Reiner. It's not like he doesn't realize how many (innocent?) people he has killed, but he doesn't feel guilty for it in the slightest, and he never reacts in an emotional way even when witnessing the imminent death of his comrades. He's not even able to sympathize much with Eren when hearing about the facts he's been thorugh. When he says "I felt sorry for you" regarding Eren's mother he's probably true, but you can tell from his face he doesn't feel any guilt, just like it wasn't his fault (and in his mind, it really isn't).
So in a sense yes, I think you could say Berth has a somewhat neutral morality. He does realize killing people is bad I suppose, but at the same time he's willing to do so because that means he doesn't have to take responsibility for whatever decision he might take. He rather prefers to have someone else take decisions in his stead.
Why are people calling Bert a "coward?" The only thing I could find referenced as a reason was because he didn't appear to like that Reiner revealed their identities to Eren. But knowing what a hothead Eren can be, who would think it's a good idea to level with him like that? The only thing we can gather for certain was that Bert didn't agree with what Reiner was doing and it made him uneasy. Bert must have had different methods/plans in mind from the all-or-nothing bit of foolishness Reiner pulled (for example, how about taking Eren by total surprise, not giving him a choice in coming with them, not giving him any explanation until later), then of course he would have been against what Reiner was doing. Someone said they thought Bert hadn't shown what kind of person he was yet; I think that's closer to the truth. If I were to guess, I'd agree he's probably not getting emotionally involved with others but I also think he's probably just more of an introvert, while Reiner is more extroverted. Introverts tend to get misread as "anti-social" or "shifty." (Eren called Bert "shifty" in the latest chapter's scanlation)
I don't think Bert was faking the reactions he shows here in chapter 16:
By the way there was talk about whether one of the two of them lies. Bert was at least twisting the truth, hiding things, or lying outright when he told Eren and Armin about his and Reiner's "past." (The scanlation says "southeast of Wall Maria" but I wonder if he really said "southeast of" or if he meant "in the southeast of" which would make more sense):
Then after he tells his "story" (facial expression neutral) we get this interesting reaction from Reiner and Bert does even more talking:
Last edited by kannazuki; June 26, 2013 at 05:29 AM.
Berth and Annie's behaviour fits the situation, since they infiltrated the enemy. It's only natural that they will keep their distance and a low profile, and generaly feel detached from the rest.
But I do believe that they have a damn good reason for their actions, like it just had to be done. Maybe it was even hinted in this conversation between Annie and Armin.