Baraggan Luisenbarn vs Tsukabishi Tessai

[Takahashi]

A sitting duck? Respiera comes from one direction, so long as it doesn't break through all the way, all he has to do is wait for it to pass and he's golden.

How does that work? No incantation will be able to be made in time, he'll have to make a quick one like Hachi, who did so with his mask, and it still busted through easily. How can we assume that Tessai's barriers are significantly better than Vaizard Hachi's?

Keep in mind one of Hachi's back chant ones outright negated it without his mask, which is honestly something Tessai can almost assuredly pull himself. Granted it's going to be touch and go, but with sufficiently powered barriers he's not as screwed as he'd be otherwise. With Barragon being properly Omaeda living while fighting him one on one levels of retarded, Tessai having just enough time to put together the necessary conclusion, and high level enough barriers it's entirely possible.

So let's assume Tessai traps Barragan, he can't tag team with Soi Fon, his one and only option is to blast him with the highest level Kido he can do. That will obviously do nothing, Barragan will get out, and then what? Hachi was seconds away from being a dead man when he thought of his plan. Why are you so confident Tessai would come to the same conclusion not only faster than Hachi did, but be able to pull it off without having Respira touch him in a vital location?

Whether it's more likely or not however is going to be opinion. However Barragon's stupidity is colossal to say the least.

I still don't see it as stupidity at all. It's like Cocoon Aizen not caring about getting beat up because he knows he can't die. Barragan toying with people isn't an indicator of stupidity, but rather, that his ability is THAT damn hax.

[Random101]

Why are you so confident Tessai would come to the same conclusion not only faster than Hachi did, but be able to pull it off without having Respira touch him in a vital location?

Because he'll be starting with the Soifon area of the fight rather than the Hachi point, and thus will know Kido isn't as useful as it sounds a lot earlier honestly. Keep in mind both Soifon and Omaeda stayed alive for a huge amount of time despite in essence being able to do nothing. Similarly any of his massive kido being able to do nothing works to his advantage. It's that Soifon's Bankai Injured him made him so pissed off and lead to Hachi being in so much danger.

Provided Barragon keeps toying around and being massively retarded long enough without getting uber pissed, in essence exactly like both stages of his fight and especially the in-between up until the end, Tessai should have honestly more time to figure it out, as well as being in general less pressed up until the critical point. Or Barragon finally finds a brain cell up in that empty skull of his and decides to end it sooner than that. Either way is entirely possible honestly.

Barragan toying with people isn't an indicator of stupidity, but rather, that his ability is THAT damn hax.

Toying with people is one thing. Standing around in a massive smoke cloud for several minutes doing nothing however is NOT toying around.

[Takahashi]

Because he'll be starting with the Soifon area of the fight rather than the Hachi point, and thus will know Kido isn't as useful as it sounds a lot earlier honestly. Keep in mind both Soifon and Omaeda stayed alive for a huge amount of time despite in essence being able to do nothing. Similarly any of his massive kido being able to do nothing works to his advantage. It's that Soifon's Bankai Injured him made him so pissed off and lead to Hachi being in so much danger.

True, the fact that he was actually injured is what made him serious. That being said, even when he's jokingly throwing Respira's around, he's still incredibly dangerous.

Provided Barragon keeps toying around and being massively retarded long enough without getting uber pissed, in essence exactly like both stages of his fight and especially the in-between up until the end, Tessai should have honestly more time to figure it out, as well as being in general less pressed up until the critical point. Or Barragon finally finds a brain cell up in that empty skull of his and decides to end it sooner than that. Either way is entirely possible honestly.

Sure, it's possible that Tessai could figure things out and win, but I wouldn't bet on him winning the majority. Again, for this plan to work to finish off Barragan, Tessai has to get hit by Respira first. The only way to kill Barragan is in itself a double edged sword.

Toying with people is one thing. Standing around in a massive smoke cloud for several minutes doing nothing however is NOT toying around.

Why? He took Soi Fon's best attack head on, and it did nothing. Her Bankai was her last hope, if that's gone, what could Barragan possibly be worried about?



Edit:

Oh, and I'm not sure if this has already been stated, but all characters should be assumed to be trying as hard as they can to win each fight. Personal relationships will not come in to play. Even two allies who you would not expect to ever see fight in the manga would hold nothing back.

That makes things a lot simpler, Barragan wins.

[Random101]

True, the fact that he was actually injured is what made him serious. That being said, even when he's jokingly throwing Respira's around, he's still incredibly dangerous.

True, hence why I'm personally calling it close enough that I can easily see arguments for either way.

Sure, it's possible that Tessai could figure things out and win, but I wouldn't bet on him winning the majority. Again, for this plan to work to finish off Barragan, Tessai has to get hit by Respira first. The only way to kill Barragan is in itself a double edged sword.

Not necesarily. It's just as easy to take something else that's begun to rot and put it inside him too. It's not like Tessai's teleportation only works on people or whatever, when he transported the group a decent amount of the ground was transported with them. Presumably so nothing important got left behind I'd wager. Like a good chunk of their back. Or a finger.

Granted though the most reliable method and off the wall enough method to catch him completely offguard, particularly since he's pretty much assured to get hit at some point anyway, is going to be a piece of himself.

Why? He took Soi Fon's best attack head on, and it did nothing. Her Bankai was her last hope, if that's gone, what could Barragan possibly be worried about?

Then why sit around in a giant smoke cloud doing nothing. Seriously, he was in there the entirety of the Starrk fight until Wonderwiess showed up. No reason. Why would anyone just sit there and do nothing when you could be murdering dudes?

Oh, and I'm not sure if this has already been stated, but all characters should be assumed to be trying as hard as they can to win each fight. Personal relationships will not come in to play. Even two allies who you would not expect to ever see fight in the manga would hold nothing back.

Wait, are we assuming in character in terms of how they fight in regards to their enemies or... Now I'm confused...

Assuming by all out you mean not standing around like a moron like he did and instead at least shooting off Respiera's in a reliable fashion, Barragon wins a majority of the time. Tessai won't have enough time to think of anything. If he acts in character to how he fought Soifon and Hachi however I'd think it'd be close enough to easily be argued either way.

[Takahashi]

True, hence why I'm personally calling it close enough that I can easily see arguments for either way.

Fair enough.

Not necesarily. It's just as easy to take something else that's begun to rot and put it inside him too. It's not like Tessai's teleportation only works on people or whatever, when he transported the group a decent amount of the ground was transported with them. Presumably so nothing important got left behind I'd wager. Like a good chunk of their back. Or a finger.

Granted though the most reliable method and off the wall enough method to catch him completely offguard, particularly since he's pretty much assured to get hit at some point anyway, is going to be a piece of himself.

Is it really that simple? Also it seems obvious that Hachi's teleportation is different, being the Orihime Vaizard that he is, the chances are high that Tessai doesn't know the same type of teleportation, especially since he didn't even give a command, let alone incantation.

Tessai's teleportation MAY work with other objects, but again, he'll have a few seconds at most against serious Barragan to figure it out.

Then why sit around in a giant smoke cloud doing nothing. Seriously, he was in there the entirety of the Starrk fight until Wonderwiess showed up. No reason. Why would anyone just sit there and do nothing when you could be murdering dudes?

That was for the sake of the story. For WW to show up, and then we can find out all at once that both Halibel and Barragan are unharmed.

Wait, are we assuming in character in terms of how they fight in regards to their enemies or... Now I'm confused...

Assuming by all out you mean not standing around like a moron like he did and instead at least shooting off Respiera's in a reliable fashion, Barragon wins a majority of the time. Tessai won't have enough time to think of anything. If he acts in character to how he fought Soifon and Hachi however I'd think it'd be close enough to easily be argued either way.

According to igotthegoods, we should be going with the assumption that everyone is trying their best to beat the other regardless of who is fighting who. Meaning Barragan would essentially be the pissed off version right off the bat (at least in terms of his desire to kill the other guy).

[Gran Maestro]

According to igotthegoods, we should be going with the assumption that everyone is trying their best to beat the other regardless of who is fighting who. Meaning Barragan would essentially be the pissed off version right off the bat (at least in terms of his desire to kill the other guy).

igotthegoods says two friends won't hold back against each other, she doesn't say they will go all out right from the start:

Oh, and I'm not sure if this has already been stated, but all characters should be assumed to be trying as hard as they can to win each fight. Personal relationships will not come in to play. Even two allies who you would not expect to ever see fight in the manga would hold nothing back.

On the other hand Tsukisama says, we can assume the fighters will act in character:

Given the open-ended nature of the fights and Yumichika's demonstrated willingness to use his true shikai in a private fight (and all fights are private fights with no one else present), there is not a definitive reason to assume that Yumichika would not use his real shikai. That being said, if you feel that he most likely would not use his shikai regardless of this, you are free to interpret the battle in that way too.

Other mods made their comments based on this assumption. If I'm wrong, mods can clarify this issue.

[Tsukisama]

Allow me to clear up any confusion, as I do not think that our two statements are in conflict.

All combatants are in serious fights with one another. Their goal is to win their respective fights. Their usual allegiances do not factor here. This, however, does not nullify the characters' personalities and mannerisms. Oomaeda, for example, is a sneaky person who does not show his true strength. This can and should be taken into account when judging his performance in battle.

These contests are open to you all forming scenarios around them. If you do not believe that character would behave in some manner based upon that character's personality, then that is a justifiable argument. If you can come up with a scenario in which a character would behave in that manner and believe it probable enough to occur, then go ahead.

I hope that this is sufficiently clear. If not, please feel free to ask us questions in the tournament discussion thread.

[Takahashi]

Thanks for clearing that up. I was thrown by

but all characters should be assumed to be trying as hard as they can to win each fight.

But if personality comes into play, I guess Barragan won't be trying all that hard :P

At any rate, I still think he wins the majority,

[Random101]

Is it really that simple? Also it seems obvious that Hachi's teleportation is different, being the Orihime Vaizard that he is, the chances are high that Tessai doesn't know the same type of teleportation, especially since he didn't even give a command, let alone incantation.

Tessai's teleportation MAY work with other objects, but again, he'll have a few seconds at most against serious Barragan to figure it out.

Whether or not it works differently, we know he can transport people and earth with a huge amount of accuracy to a different location a huge distance away inside a building extremely quickly (As well as time stop apparently but we have no idea how that works so I'm kinda neglecting it frankly >>). Meaning transporting something into Barragon should frankly be the same, as it's basically same deal only closer and requiring a lesser degree of accuracy in all honesty, be it inanimate or a piece of himself. Severing something is the same deal too frankly, he literally transplanted the ground in that same case a certain distance beneath where they had been.

That was for the sake of the story. For WW to show up, and then we can find out all at once that both Halibel and Barragan are unharmed.

He does it again when Hachi's backchant manages to negate his respiera, standing around waiting for Hachi to do something for a few moments (Granted the second time wasn't that bad, but that it repeats and will likely also be the case here doesn't bode well for him). Suffice to say with an attitude like that time to think is not going to be scarce. Granted however it's the how much Tessai needs compared to how long before Barragon ends it with a good shot that's in question. Which is easily going either way depending on opinion.

[Tsukisama]

With almost two-thirds of the votes, the winner is Tessai! He shall advance on into Round 2. Discuss the result of this match and all others in the Tournament Discussion thread.

Stay tuned for more details!