Ōtoribashi Rōjūrō (aka Rose) vs Yammy Llargo

[igotthegoods]

Rose vs. Yammy

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Rose Ōtoribashi Rōjūrō, commonly referred to as Rose, is the former captain of the 3rd Division. He is an effeminate man with long, wavy, blond hair, and a frilly shirt. He seems to be interested in music. Rose appears to be one of the calmer and perhaps wiser ones amongst the group, though he becomes irritated whenever Love spoils a manga for him. Rose's mask resembles a bird's beak that protrudes out from his face. Rose's zanpakutō is named Kinshara. His shikai transforms the blade into a long, plantlike whip with a flower at its tip. Prefaced as Kinshara Eleventh Sonata, Kinshara's technique, Izayoi Bara, causes this tip to discharge an explosion of energy.

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Yammy Simultaneously the tenth (pre-release) and zeroth (post-release) Espada with a dim wit and savage temper, Yammy is the largest member of the Espada in terms of size and perhaps ego. Besides his immense strength, he is notable among Arrancar in that he commonly uses bala, can conserve spiritual power through inactivity, can increase his physique and strength by becoming enraged, and can use gonzui,a suction ability for absorbing the souls of the living. Upon resurrección of his zanpakutō, Ira, he transforms into a gargantuan, eight-legged behemoth with his abilities increasing in potency as he grows in size. His release increases as his rage grows until it reaches a certain level at which point he transforms again, becoming an even larger, two-legged creature and recovering completely any damage taken in the process.

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Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!

[El Samurai Guapo]

Rose is probably the vaizard we've seen least from. Most of his abilities are still pretty much a mystery (both his numbered sonatas and the hypnotism he used on the menos). But honestly, even going by what we've seen I'd give it to Rose. Yammi is pretty much a perfect target for him to connect Izayoi bara with. Yammi didn't seem to be too durable either, so that attack should finish him before he has the chance to get angry and grow bigger.

He's also probably dumb enough that Rose could hypnotize him like he did to the menos.

[Broken_Wing]

I Yammy R2 restricted? I think it should be as we never actually saw what it can do.

As of now it leaves it for people to completely speculate how strong R2 is.

[Tsukisama]

We have seen everything there is to see of Yammy. Yammy is not going to show any more than what has already been shown. So, everything from Yammy thus far is fair game.

[Broken_Wing]

Well I never saw Yammy fight in R2 so I cant really say that he got much stronger than R1 I guess.

[Jackk]

I think Rose wins this.

Let's be honest here, Yami was pretty disappointing.

First of all, nobody here should doubt that Rose is capable of owning sealed Yami since he's only the 10th Espada in his sealed state. And heck he doesn't even become the 0th Espada when releasing unless he rests and eats a lot...but I guess since that's the released that we saw from him, we're going to assume that he can release and turn into the 0th Espada. Well ok, that's fine;however, even released Yami as the 0th Espada wasn't very impressive, to say the least. I mean, seriously, Kenpachi and Byakuya were actually arguing as well as about to fight between themselves, and were pretty much ignoring Yami. Further, Yami's limbs were being sliced off like butter quite easily. And his attacks were ineffective against Kenpachi with eye-patch on.

http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/ch...9/page022.html
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Furthermore, we know that getting Yami angry will eventually make him stronger and cause him to release a second release state; however, we didn't even get to see that last version of Yami in action. What we did see eventually was that Yami somehow got defeated as we see Byakuya and Kenpachi arriving in Soul Society...and Kenpachi just says that the fight was really boring... http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/ch...2/page006.html

Now, while we haven't actually seen a whole lot from Rose yet... at least we do know that he was a captain 100+ years ago, then he got a boost in reiatsu and a boost to his shinigami limits after undergoing hollowfication (since hollowfication breaks the shinigami/hollow barrier allowing a shinigami to go past his previous limitations in the four forms of combat: Zanjutsu, Hakuda, Hohou, and Kidou).

http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/ch...5/page009.html
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Furthermore, Rose also gets a further boost to his strength/power, speed, and defense when he puts on his vaizard Mask. Now, from what we've seen... Rose was strong enough to withstand several assaults from Stark's ultimate soul wolves techniques. Granted Rose was hurt, but he didn't go down though; he seems to be quite durable. And similar to Love, we've also seen Rose using his Mask efficiently by taking it off when not actively engage in combat and then reapplying it later when really needed. This should logically allow him to conserve energy as well as save and/or regain time on his Mask for the next usage. In addition, another thing to consider is that Rose seems to be a pretty smart fighter... while Yami actually really seems to lack in the intelligence department, to say the least.

We also know that Rose's shikai, Kinshara, can allow him to fight from a distance...since he can swing that whip while he himself keeps a distance from his enemy.

http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/ch...3/page006.html
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Rose's sonata #11 (Izayoi Bara) also seems quite powerful, and could really cause damage to Yami, in my opinion http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/ch...3/page009.html... Besides, let's also realize that Yami in his sealed state as the 10th Espada is really not a powerful opponent, to say the least. Then let's also realize that release Yami is also a huge target; seriously, he's basically a sitting duck there, and Yami didn't show that he could move really fast in that state either. Rose could really possibly hit him several times, if necessary, until Yami goes down. And I think that Rose should have the speed advantage with his shikai + Mask since we didn't actually see Yami showing any great speed, to say the least.

Another thing to take into account is that Yami actually needs to get angry enough in order to get more powerful and turn into his second release state. Further, according to Yami even his second release form gets stronger as he gets angrier.

http://read.mangashare.com/Bleach/ch...3/page004.html
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But how do we know that Rose is even going to give Yami all the time needed for him to get angry enough to go into his second release state? (not to mention that Yami's second release doesn't even have any actual feats though, since we didn't actually see him fighting while in that last state; Yami's defeat was off-panel) ...Heck if Rose is not messing around, he could even easily beat sealed Yami before he releases his resurreccion; it's certainly a possibility.

[Takahashi]

I think we could all probably agree that Rose owns Sealed and R1 Yammy. Both forms all around sucked.

As far as R2, no one knows HOW strong Yammy was. Apparently Byakuya and Kenpachi were hurt, but it looked mild for Bleach standards and even Kenpachi apparently didn't even enjoy it.

That being said, I think a Byakuya and Kenpachi tag team would be ridiculously difficult to deal with, but that still doesn't change the fact that Yammy never showed anything impressive. A backhand from KTM destroyed Vaizard Tousen's arm, a backhand from Yammy....knocked Kenpachi over. His power in proportion to his size was pretty pathetic.

When he went R2 is when Byakuya and Kenpachi went all serious faced. That's honestly the only thing I can think of for pros in the Yammy column.

Rose takes this. Mask, Shikai, and a few days of hacking at the guy who's only "power" is being tough to kill. It's a good thing Rose's whip makes explosions, or it'd be a good year or so to kill the big bastard.

[Random101]

If Kenpachi can the strongest hierro with a patch on, any captain in bare minimum bankai can too, bloody monster or not. Vizard wise it should be a shoe-in for even shikai.

However Rose's shikai is a bloody whip, it literally can't cut anything of a close enough level. D'OH.

Explosions aren't honestly doing jack save annoying him (Ala GAH, my EYE!), not if he gets off so easily against a getsuuga and a cero level 33, and frankly I have heavy doubts that whatever he used is viable on anything significantly stronger than menos if it wasn't tried against Aizen. Sealed sword is his best bet, and honestly I don't see that doing much even with mask. Honestly though Yammi's going to have a bitch of a time trying to just hit the dude, so it's a case of Rose having in essence all day to kill him with pinpricks.

It'll take bloody ages but it's certainly possible. Though granted if he gets hit by one of those cero's it's going to be nasty, but seriously, I'd like to see him try. Gah, don't care enough either way to make a call.

[AlB]

based on what we've seen (and we haven't seen much of both of them) Rose take this. We can safely assume that he has at least 11 different Zan techs which are very dangerous. His mask amplifies both his damage and speed.

now, I know there's much talk about Yami being Zero but there's no way in hell I can buy that he is superior to Stark, Barragan, Hallibel or Ulq in any way. His R1 is nothing to worry about as for R2... he got bigger > better target for Rose lol. no, seriously he was nothing special. I know that sseveral shinigami said byakuya and Ken were injured but the dudes hadn't even been hindered by that. they were like, enjoying the day and Ken even noted how boring the fight was. I can just imagine what kind of butchering took place if Ken said that the fight was "boring". Rose wins

[Gran Maestro]

It took both Kenpachi (no eyepatch) and Byakuya (bankai) to defeat Yammy R2. If Yammy was so much inferior to either of them, their combined power would make short work of Yammy but they were injured after the battle which means Yammy put up a good fight. On the other hand, Stark had no problems against Love and Rose's combined power. Rose is restricted to shikai in this fight, which means his winning chances is slim to non-existent. Yammy wins comfortably.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I'd say Rose can own sealed Yammy, but he didn't show that much to beat him in second Resureccion. After the fight with Yammy in second Resureccion Ken and Byakuya were rather beaten and they had to use Bankai (Byakuya) and remove the eyepatch (Ken) to take him down. So I can't see how Rose can take Yammy without Bankai. He together with Love couldn't do anything to Starrk and Yammy is stronger than Starrk.

[Takahashi]

It took both Kenpachi (no eyepatch) and Byakuya (bankai) to defeat Yammy R2. If Yammy was so much inferior to either of them, their combined power would make short work of Yammy but they were injured after the battle which means Yammy put up a good fight. On the other hand, Stark had no problems against Love and Rose's combined power. Rose is restricted to shikai in this fight, which means his winning chances is slim to non-existent. Yammy wins comfortably.

You know, I've always had the theory that Byakuya and Kenpachi gave each other those injuries. They downed Yammy, and continued the fight that got interrupted the first time

[Jorge D. Dragon]

It's just strange that people assume that if Ken and Byakuya got rather easy with Yammy he is weak. He isn't weak in fact. It's Byakuya and Kenpachi who are one of the strongest Captains after Shunsui and Ukitake. So them teaming up and taking down Yammi is contribution to his strength.

[Gran Maestro]

You know, I've always had the theory that Byakuya and Kenpachi gave each other those injuries. They downed Yammy, and continued the fight that got interrupted the first time

If they did continue the fight, Kenpachi wouldn't stop until one of them was down.

Think about it, Kubo made Yammy #0 espada, higher-ranked than Stark who defeated Love & Rose and then even though we never saw the fight, Kubo arranged the match-up such that it was full-power Kenpachi & Byakuya vs Yammy. It makes perfect sense that Yammy put up a good fight against them. I think it's unfair to judge Yammy's power by Yammy R1 who seemed to be weaker than Nnoitra. I think it's safe to assume Yammy R2 was on a whole new level, strong enough to give trouble to Byakuya's bankai and force Kenpachi to remove his eyepatch in the process. Yammy was strong.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I agree with Gran Maestro. It's really strange when people understimate Espada that was confirmed to be the strongest and overstimate the person that was shown to be inferiour to lower Espada.