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Vanish seem to pack A LOT more power than Kamikakushi to me.
There's no direct direction to Abara Dama and Kamikakushi. But the 3rd court high schooler that fight those two techniques to 3-3 evenly got stomped most likely 6-0 by 1st stringer.
Now, Moujuu no Synchro. 3rd court high schooler can still beat it. I'm thinking most likely they are at 5-3 when it activated, and the game end at 7-6, so score moved 2-4. And those guys got stomped b by 1st stringer.
Doukoku e no Gigue doesn't actually appear, but Shitsui e no Fugue got beaten by Irie, whom have trouble with number 20 of the 1st stringer. Yes, he got serious later. But I feel it's different level of seriousness than he did when he did it with Atobe. I doubt Shitsui e no Fugue is higher than Vanish/Bakyuun.
Samurai Drive is most likely a lot harder to deal than Rai. I have not idea how it's doing so low. It's return perfectly only by Yukimura, who return both to the same place. It's a REALLY high level technique. Most likely on SS level. Why on earth is it even lower than Monjuu no Aura?
Kintarou=Best player on the team. =better than Chitose. Pre-timeskip, confirmed by Shiraishi himself. Moujuu no Aura fought evenly with Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami. Kintarou after time-skip got in trouble in Vanish. Vanish should be higher than Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami at least.
Also, like I said before Bakyuu power is comparable to Rai, although a bit less powerful. I think you should try to protect those other techniques position on how they might be comparable to a techniques a little less powerful than Rai because I pretty much present my argument already.
After the 1st time, they beasted Jackal/Marui in 5 straight games after activation who would probably defeat any 3rd Court HSer team.
Only one of the Gigue's was stopped by Irie. The other one does appear.
I think the one that appeared was Fugue towards Despair.
It's just hard to show it completely when… well… the match is cut REALLY short.
You also don't know how "serious" Irie was when he's fighting with Akiba compare to how "serious" Irie was when he's fighting Akiba either. However, since he say "Just kidding" and answer the Doukoku e no Gigue and got beaten by number 20 after that. I would assume that number 20 can beat Doukoku e no Gigue, which most likely make Vanish a fair bit more powerful. I'm aware that Irie is acting when losing to number 20, but there's no telling how "serious" the actor is with both opponents.
Whereas Washio and Suzuki had been training with each other for ages. As shown when you see 3rd Court just defeating 4th Court prior to the Team Shuffle.
And was saying that the next time they use it, it is likely that it will be more powerful. Since Remember when Synchro is first activated, it isnt as strong as when activated later. For example Oishi & Kikumaru. They use it first against Shishido/Ootori.
After the 1st time, they beasted Jackal/Marui in 5 straight games after activation who would probably defeat any 3rd Court HSer team. They seemed more fluid against Jackal/Marui pair.
Irie was just playing with Akiba. I dont see how Akiba could overcome World of Ice.
Understand that with this series you have to argue with PoT logic only. Although hitting a Samurai Drive seems harder, with more players hitting several balls at once, it makes this technique seem slightly less powerful. Although I agree that it should be higher.
Last edited by Airgrimes; December 08, 2011 at 04:47 PM.
So just to be sure, it is agreed to move Vanish and Bakyuun higher? Samurai Drive cannot be moved any higher because Clone Technique is right there waiting.
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I'm going to add Yukimura's Racquet Butt Return to the list. In theory, it can defeat a lot of the major power moves. Black Jack Knife, Rai, Bakyuun, 108th Style Hadoukyuu (perhaps). So I was thinking of putting it in SS. But it does seem way too simple to be classified that high.
Also where should I put Byoudouin's serve. (Penetrating Serve? Wall Shattering Serve, Wall Cracking Serve? Serve of Destruction? Gimme some names too.)
Last edited by Fuji Shusuke; December 08, 2011 at 11:29 PM.
Butt return is just a return, it can't be an SS technique.
If you put it on the list, please put Byodouin's Kamehameha, please xd
And Byoudouin's serve will be named soon enough, it shouldnt be tiered just yet. Since Ryoga returned it like it was a standard serve.
Btw, I think Jack Knife should be in Rank B and not C.
Sicne it took out Yushi's strings, and it let Momoshiro defeat the hyped up (disappointment) Sengoku.
And Hahaha you forgot Mizuki Hajime in Data Tennis users. I totally understand though.
You also forgot Nakagauchi Sotomichi with the Cord Ball and since Fuji did it against Niou with his eyes closed, does it count that he can use Cord Ball too?
Do you want to call it "Forced Cord Ball" because you can cord ball by accident and naming it this way makes it more specific. I'll try to move Jack Knife up and I'll put Mizuki in for Data Tennis, although his data fails (against Fuji lol). Kentarou's cord ball is known as "Miracle Cord Ball" I think or should I rename it to "Forced Cord Ball" or whatever?
BTW, what do you think of Black Hack Knife hehe?
Last edited by Fuji Shusuke; December 09, 2011 at 11:23 AM.
I think just 'Cord Ball' is fine. If a player can use Cord Ball as a listed technique. (Nakagauchi, Aoi and Fuji).
Remember Irie saying ''Unusual for you to use the Cord Ball'' to Nakagauchi like it was his actual technique.
Black Jack will be defeated soon, if Oni faces Duke, then the BJK won't work. Maybe Watanabe is the man who extended the limits of the Hadoukyuus (and can hit up to 200th) lolol
Don't worry, it will be defeated. Is a move that lots of players can return (Echizen, Yukimura, Sanada...)
Quick Question. What would you cal Data Tennis, Perfect Tennis, Acrobatic Play and Power Play? Types of Tennis? Styles of Tennis? Im not sure of a good definition of these things, since Tennis Styles are Serve & Volley, Counterpuncher and All-Rounder etc.
Im not sure what you would call Data Tennis, Power Play, Acrobatic Play, Perfect Tennis etc.
You could call them Sub-styles.
I also think Akutagawa Jirou's Magic Volley should be lifted no?
It ended Yuuta 6-1, and it was the reason he was hyped up.
Also not even Kabaji can copy it right. So it might mean that when Niou becomes Jirou he cant use Magic Volley. I think the move is worth a lot more.