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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Yips works by giving the opponent that all of their balls are useless and returning the ball becomes frightening. It first starts off as a series of image flashes in their head when they return the ball, telling them its useless. By closing your eyes, images don't come to you because you originally didn't see the ball being returned. Am I making sense? Basically what I'm saying is: Can't see ball = No images in head = Can't seal sense = Other senses heightened = Pwnage
No, Yuki would still trump Fuji. Ball would still get returned anyway. You eventually feel you can't win. You lose your touch first anwyay. Hell Closed Eyes shouldn't be that high to be fair. World of Ice should be right near the top as well.
Many changes to Rank S:
- Closed Eyes higher than Shadow
- Samurai Drive higher than Super Ultra Great (etc lol)
- Tannhausser Serve moved down
- World of Ice higher than Tannhauser
Rank B ordered. There is probably a large amount of errors in Rank B. Please point them out.
Last edited by Fuji Shusuke; January 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Yama Arashi, Tezuka Zone and World of Ice should be at the top of S, maybe even bottom of SS.
Closed Eyes and In should move down further, they just aren't that useful outside of specific situations, personally I'd put CE just Bible Tennis and In belwow Fuu or something.
Maybe remove the specific parts and add FuuRinKaZan as a whole instead, it's even described as one technique by Inui (Link), around where Ka currently is would be good I think.
You have Kite's Shukuchihou listed twice, I'd remove the higher one.
Angel Mode should go way up, if the current theories are correct, it makes Akaya a second court player.
What's the difference between Devil Mode and Super Devil Mode? Is the former Bloodshot Mode?
Cut Serve could go up a bit, either top of B or in the lower half of A.
Magic Volley has to go up a lot, at least above Golf Swing.
That's everything for now.
I agree that TZ and World of Ice should be in SS. And I also agree the Magic Volley definitely needs to be a lot higher. While the pole shot isn't super difficult to return, Tight Rope Walking is. How can you return a shot that never DOESN'T touch the net without touching the net with your racket? It is technically possible, but ridiculously difficult.
And I don't see why Zero-Shiki Serve and Tannhäuser Serve aren't both at the same position, since they are technically the same thing, just different directions.
Also, Houo Gaeshi should also probably be higher than it is. While I think Hakuryu is a better technique, it's situational while Houo Gaeshi isn't. That's the only reason that I don't think both should be moved higher.
Considering that Closed Eyes can at the very least counter Saiki, shouldn't it be in the SS tier? I personally think that Closed Eyes should move above Niou's Illusion, but that's as far as I'd put it. Even though Closed Eyes can counter Saiki, Saiki's more versatile than Closed Eyes, so Saiki's still a better move.
Zero-Shiki Serve is a significantly better move than Tannhauser Serve.
I honestly think that a lot of the Rank S moves need to be reordered, but it's all too subjective. For example, I think that Neo-Scud Serve and Waterfall are way too highly ranked. I also believe that Shiraishi's Bible and the evolved Triple Counters should be above Laser Beam and Cool Drive.
Up to this point, only Sanada returned ZSS, but Atobe and Hiyoshi both returned THS, and Tachibana has shown that he could probably do it by returning Tsubame Gaeshi after it bounced.
Last edited by FrostyMouse; April 24, 2011 at 06:10 PM.
Hmm, are we sure that THS bounces? I thought it didn't bounce at all, and the only way that Atobe returned it is by hitting it at the instant the serve hit the ground. I might be wrong though. I was a little fuzzy on the explanation they gave.
This applies to all of COOL Drive, Tannhauser Serve, Shitsu e no Fugue, Tsubame Gaeshi and Houou Gaeshi, though the former three seem to have more power than Fuji's counters, making it much harder to hit them before they touch the ground (see what happened to Tanishi as reference).Quote:
That's what I would suggest for starters. Note that the techniques are not ordered within the tiers, I think it'd be better to agree on tiers first and discuss specific positions afterwards.
Last edited by Kaoz; April 25, 2011 at 06:50 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
A few things about your list of techniques.
Echizen uses Saiki for one point, so that counts as him being able to use it.
He uses the Zero-Shiki Drop Shot on his own as well.
Kabaji and Niou don't actually use Muga, they just use Hyakuren, and Hyakuren and Saiki, respectively. You can say that Kabaji actually learns how to use Hyakuren, whereas it's only Niou's Illusion that grants him the ability to use Hyakuren and Saiki. I think it's doubtful that Niou could use Hyakuren or Saiki without using an Illusion of a player who can use them.
Chitose can use Moujuu no Aura, as he does when he plays doubles with Tachibana against Washio/Suzuki.
Apart from a few mentions on who actually performs the technique, I only have one or two comments. I don't think that Echizen should be credited as being able to use the technique if it's only when he's using Muga. For example, Echizen uses Tannhauser Serve while using Muga, but he can't naturally.
Aside from that, I think that Gen'U Yume Utsutsu and Closed Eyes should be in the S Tier.
I'll put (?) behind their names for now.Quote:
Well, technically, as PoHW, PoGW, and TnK are doors "inside Muga," they are Muga, and this panel supports that.
So, I suppose it's fair to say that the whole list can use Muga. Although, I'd be more apt to put a (?) by Niou and Kabaji's names though.
So, I'd put it this way, I guess.
Muga no Kyouichi: Echizen, Tezuka, Yukimura, Sanada, Kirihara, Chitose, Nanjirou, Kabaji (?), Niou (?)
Also, Nanjirou can use TnK.
Magnum Serve isn't even on the B Tier list, but I would say that Magnum Serve counts as one of Echizen's moves.
Last edited by FrostyMouse; April 25, 2011 at 05:31 PM. Reason: Failing